you don't have to keep track of everything. It's insane to think thats necessary. Just ask your player how they do something you don't understand and do it in a simple manner? I know at my location in 1e, our VC would just go "OK and how do you do that" after someone says something weird and it gets explained real fast and everyone moves on. I knew someone that built a swashbuckler with like 2 or 3 other classes and a dozen items that let them do other things.
You just need people to get good at explaining things quickly and easily for the scenario and you can talk and text about the intricacies later
Gary Bush wrote:
funny enough, contrary to your comment, someone else says 90% of content IS legal in pf1 lol. But pf1 was an entirely different game where building your character to be a 1man army was VERY easy, and now in 2e it is much less so with how EVERYTHING scales and how bad guys can cheat on being built
Woo 200th comment. So many rambling comments lol
Bob Jonquet wrote:
Well they did say they were probably wrong. In defense, all of the important content wasn't legal unless you went to a convention for a boon. Buying the book meant nothing unless you had the exceedingly rare boons that were convention gain only. A large amount of content wasn't ACTUALLY legal to everyone unless you somehow got the rare-mostly-convention-only boons.
If you count content locked behind boons as being not legal, like races and all their related stuff and archetypes, and don't count the many many tiny items that almost never actually saw real play and the giant items that also don't see play because society rarely goes above 12 (which is pretty subjective in all situations) then there was significantly more than 10% of not legal content because the majority of society players don't have and most likely won't have easy access to it. I seem to remember a whole lot of "not legal unless you have a boon" stuff in additional resources as well. Which meant "not legal unless you got lucky gming a convention and got what you wanted instead of some random stuff that doesn't interest you"
But also there is a lot of high level content, and society play just so rarely does that content. Almost mostly convention special events are the few times you see it or society games taken home and spread out once a week over a month.
So it's probably much more than 10% realistically in terms of "does this TRULY get used enough to justify it as being legal, or does this truly exist as legal when it's 15th and up level content that is nearly nonexistent in society"
I apologize for rambling, I'm probably fairly wrong about this stuff too. I only started around the end of season 8 and remember seeing a lot of stuff as boon locked, not legal, or basically out of reach by level
I don't see how battle medicine wouldn't require at least touching them, and probably a free hand. Medicine requires touching and a hand right? Battle medicine has the manipulate trait
You must physically manipulate an item or make gestures to use an action with this trait. Creatures without a suitable appendage can’t perform actions with this trait. Manipulate actions often trigger reactions
This sounds like it implies you need a free-is hand, cuz if it's currently wielding a weapon, that's not exactly a suitable appendage to slap a bandaid on someone. Treat wounds specifies adjacent ally and I'd feel stopping someone from bleeding out requires some pretty strong physical contact, probably with not your hand that's holding a dagger. Nearly all of the "manipulate trait" actions HEAVILY imply you have a rather unobstructed hand with fingers ready to do complex finger motions. And frankly, how does a single action, even if it has a cool down of 1 day, or 1 hour with feats, translate to so much healing?
I agree. I absolutely LOVE reptiles and magic and was really hoping lizardfolk would be immediately available (or Kobolds, instead of lame goblins) and have int as their base stat. None of this was what I wanted. So what did I do? I worked with what I had, which was only core, and made a few funny pcs based on interesting things, like characters from books I'm reading or something that makes me smile enough. So I played games, now I'm running games, and saving up those sweet sweet points and when lizardfolk is buy able you can bet a lizardfolk Druid is nearly the only thing I'm playing for a while.
I also have a friend that played almost exclusively tengu in 1e and he was the same. "I don't wanna do anything pf2 until tengu are legal" well, that's a long way away. "I think lizardfolk will be an acceptable substitute until tengu come out" well they still, sadly, cost points. "well I guess I'll start Gming or playing a substitute until I can play my substitute until tengu are a thing."
Its kinda funny, but he was also like, the only starfinder gm at our store since 2e came out for most of the time, and starfinder was a big hit at our store for like 6 months, but 1 table monopolized it so everyone else was sorta like "well, since Pf2 is coming out I guess I'll just give up on trying to do starfinder since nobody wants to play anymore since the main group kinda quit for Pf2 as well and nobody really wants to do starfinder now"
Long rambling short, playing a substitute race might not be as fun, but at least it WILL get you to the race you want. Unless you just do a bunch of gming, which will make it faster.
Personally tengu should be common and free. With them being widely available in 1e for like 3 years, they should be common. They're basically just fluffy halflings really lol. It couldn't possibly be THAT bad to make a few new races free and common, especially when they're essentially reskinned core races.
And to be fair, promise my last thing, we are all humans in real life. This is a fantasy game. Sometimes people just wanna play as something that doesn't look like a human. To REALLY fantasize about something foreign and alien-like that they can pretend to be. To REALLY escape bland humanity. Almost everyone does at some point. Even if it's only slightly so (like a gnome or elf or lizard or goblin (why would anyone wanna do this for a disgusting goblin tho, personal rhetorical joke, do not answer))
Not in society. OUTSIDE of society yes, as long as you own the content.
(the rest of this is not specifically for you, I just don't want to make a 2nd post)
It sounds like people are upset that the races cost too much and compared to gming at a con, sort of yes, it gets you enough points for half of a "chose your boon" which when you remember you get to chose whatever you want and you earned half of it, that's not that bad.
Now sure, you don't actually get a full race boon, but you also don't get something you don't want. I GMed at origins once and got a leshy boon. Did not really care for it. Basically a wasted boon. No offense to anyone or leshy, but at that point 2e was confirmed to happen and 1e was going to end, and I already had literally almost a dozen characters, most of which weren't even level 10 or up. I also really like reptiles and leshy was just a neutral thing, so it just wasn't for my tastes. But my friend also GMed origins and he completely ROCKED a leshineticist. He dove into that and rode it all the way through eyes of the 10. Good for him.
But now, if I GMed at origins, assuming most or all of my slots went off, which I probably wouldn't do a whole lot, but probably would play a few times, I would earn a decent amount of acp. Even if it's not enough for a current race boon, at least I don't end up with another boon I DON'T want.
And I can save those points for a future boon rotation. Potentially saving up for a new super amazing boon that, at the time they come out, nobody will have the points for yet and I will. What if they made a conjoined aasimar tiefling. Like you get all the best parts all the time. And the cost was like 200 points or something. Also maybe only 1 purchase ever (until they change it later) and most people are like "damn it, now I wish I didn't buy that hobgoblin and leshy" but then next week it's game time and I roll up with one. That'd be amazing. It'd be beyond a simple convention boon and super rare. In the end it would have been worth it. Personally I'm only buying an Iruxi. Then I'm saving up for a tiefling AND tengu (or something else. But I'm adding tiefling to whatever) and together those will be expensive. But by the time those come out for society, I'll have saved up the points for it. This is just an example. Probably won't happen, but you can imagine. What if they put a single mythic tier in as a reward with restriction that you can never gain more than that single mythic tier and must be a certain level and it would be Hella expensive. Maybe the benefit from that could be something like, once per scenario you can regain all your spell slots of a single spell level, or all your hp, temporarily max your focus points at 3 if you only have a pool of 1. See? Sounds awesome. The possibilities are nearly limitless for this system.
And that's sort of how it is now. We don't see long term goal. We don't see what will happen later. Some of the boons may suck, some may be like "Im not sure I personally want it but I'm sure it'll become useful to some". And then someday some REALLY amazing things will come out and people will want them, and some people will have decided to save up the bonus points from cons and such (and there will probably be some paper boons, not quite as good as ancestry boons but still good.) and they'll be having the last laugh. They'll be changing things as things go and they'll probably try to get the best balance they possibly can.
Paizo is thinking big picture with this achievement point system. All we can do is learn to accept that they probably know more about what they're doing than we do. And that they'll do things well enough to satisfy the majority. There will always be some who aren't happy, but that's humans. There's no pleasing everyone.
First World Bard wrote:
Turn auto rotate screen on and then turn it to landscape. It looks normal
We in the pathfinder society are the early adopters, champions of the game if we get the new stuff first we promote the hell out of it.
society players are the last to get everything and cant promote anything because they cant use over half the content in game, and what they can use takes months to get permission to use lol, which is kind of backwards since others claim society only exists to advertise.
warning long post, not meant to be a rant. just personal experience with playing at different society locations through out the entire state and multiple cons.
are you sure they dont NEED to do it? others have said society only exists to advertise their stuff so people can buy it and take it home to play home games.
well a lot of people ONLY have time for society on a set schedule before they decide to do home games, maybe once a week or even less frequently. At least with society they have better chances of being able to play while a homegame could have to wait extended periods of time due to life getting in the way. i know someone who's been in a homegame for 2 years and theyre barely at level 5 because there's almost always something coming up for at least 1 person. And while some people may try to argue that it isnt the case, and if the multiple pathfinder society discords growing rapidly in the past years and gaining more society support even boons for online cons and multiple online cons means anything, then yes society is a major part of the game.
Wouldnt making more things available for society, so that more people play and see these things, mean more publicity so more people would be more inclined to buy things and play at home, as others have decided arbitrarily is the main player base, even though supposedly society is how they advertise. How can they advertise their content when their main advertising venue is excruciatingly slowly updated? Wouldn't more content in society mean more ACTUAL advertisement for their actual content instead of only a fraction of the stuff?
Example, almost nobody wants to pay 25/35 dollars, OR MORE because of shipping, for something that ends up not being what they expected because the little they know about it from their advertising, which is society play and/or cons (which also means society play since most games ran at cons ARE society play, because societys gimmick is play with anyone anywhere). A lot of people have stopped buying and/or playing 1e because it's no longer society supported and will take what feels like forever to get the AR updated. BTW 1e is still waiting on updates to their AR, and with 2e out now, chances arent great that people will be more likely to jump into that ugly moshpit of power creep or buy more stuff for it.
Almost all pathfinder/dnd players have specific interests when they play. According to reddit, a lot of people are hesitant to buy and/or play because what theyre interested in doesnt exist yet and/or isnt sanctioned for play.
I have a friend that doesnt want to play until tengu come out, homegames or society, but may like lizardfolk as a holdover. One friend doesnt really want to play until blight druids return because he plays almost exclusively druidic characters, but may play a little bit of regular druid just because druids DO exist, however he will buy less and play less because there is no blight druid, his 1st pc of 1e. Another one is happily looking over things and theorycrafting and playing because gnomes do exist, his favorite race. Another is waiting to make his next character because after finding out leshys were in the next book, he wants to remake his leshykineticist in society because of a leshy boon he got a while ago. While he understands he cant play a kineticist he mostly just wants to play his leshy named Berry Healthy because it makes him happy. Another is waiting to buy stuff because he loves reptiles and wants to play a nagaji/lizardfolk like character but only plays society. One just doesnt play at all anymore because he cant make super OP characters that roll ALL the d6s or because he cant just entirely obliterate everything in his path, and as an aasimar. I could probably go on and on with this list of people that. I've heard of a few that hate 2e just because it exists and all the choices and OP options of 1e (and OPness of 1e in general) is gone. This list could go on and has gone on for too long already, i apologize.
Point is, society is probably bigger than most people think. It is certainly much larger than it used to be. My local stores that i try to play at every sunday and even a restaurant that we play at every other saturday that supports board games has actually recently gained more people to play than they can even sit!
Again i apologize for the long post. But ever since the admittedly difficult admission into pathfinder (because let's be honest, if youve never played roleplayihng board games before, it's extremely difficult to start up), the game has LITERALLY changed my life, and i do want the best for it. My opinion is probably a little greedy though does have the best interest in my state's society play.
To be fair, you'd think they would be getting their act together a little bit more with the new edition. With the 2e core essentially being mostly the same as 1e core in terms of races and classes, and 1e having been out for over 10 years, maybe some people are a little bit sick and tired of playing the same things in core/mostly core after 10 years, or any amount of years really.
Maybe there are some non core things that are already released that they really really really like and if those were core or already legal (cuz maybe they understand paizo takes a little to update additional resources, but starfinder was pretty fast on some of their AR updates) you probably wouldnt see a peep out of them.
I know someone who literally wont touch 2e until Tengus come out and that's only because there's no playable panda race so tengus became their go-to ONLY race. Tengus wont be out until at least next gen con, and probably another few months after that before they become legal, so that really sucks because he's an amazing roleplayer, and theyre just sick of core too. Theyve been playing a human for 30 years irl, give them a break for not wanting to play essentially lord of the rings, because that's sort of what core is. And of all the new races they could have brought in, they chose goblins...the dumbest and most annoying of races to bring to society. I've heard a lot of people preferring kobolds instead lol. At least kobolds can be reasoned into society. There's the sewer dragons of absolam...the high profile kobold scenario of society where kobolds actually do good work, unlike goblins, until paizo just retcons everything. But i digress, things could have been handled way better.
i was actually gonna have a giant edit to agree with them and some other things, but then paizos website broke on submit edit, so that explains, in itself, how society is. it's broken lol
lol yup figures. we're probably going to have to wait for a literal christmas miracle or new years present for any new legal stuff in society. 1e is still waiting on content apparently so might as well just play whatever in society (within reason) until paizo decides to put any effort into updating their online guide then rebuild if decisions ever get made.
with only 2 repeatable scenarios and only core being legal on top of no evil stuff in society (which isnt even fun cuz its society anyway) might as well enjoy the stuff you buy until they say otherwise. not like they can really track what race, archeype, or spells you use.
until stuff starts getting added to the additional resources, might as well play whatever your gm allows as if youre doing society home games and dont travel.
I and quite a few GMs in my local area would also like to know, as this would mean I have to change this feat taken at level 7, if it doesn't mean we get "summon or eidolon can deliver touch spells" then it's just another mostly useless feat
Also like, nowhere in Google can I find an answer and almost nobody anywhere talks about this feat.
people are trying to do full round spell casting while having things such as a heavy weapon taking up all their arms
you wont believe how crazy the people on facebook get over these vague details, thinking they can become a literal in game deity simply because things aren't worded correctly
now maybe you DONT need free hands to do spell casting because paizo wanted to make it easier, maybe you do. it isn't stated either way and people are getting into trolling wars over it
it's also stated that this is not pathfinder, so they should have been absolutely clear about things like this. Just because spellcasting no longer has components, doesn't mean it doesn't use a hand
in almost every single picture in the core rule book where a character is using magic, they are using their hands and making odd hand gestures/hand signs
it also says we need to concentrate. now since it wasn't clear about it, and all the art involves it, for all we know we do need a free hand and to concentrate on doing the right hand motions
using 2 hands to hold onto say, a big machine gun of sorts, and then somehow making those hand gestures while still holding onto it to do something like use spellcasting as part of their full action to load the gun with magic and shoot it, all without any class feature of anything that would allow them
I'm talking about society by the way
I and quite a few others at my local store, at least 10 people, would also like to know
one guy specifically wants to build his character around having token spell to always have a grenade floating near him and then telekinetic projectile it right in the middle of a group of baddies (at least for low level)
can an official give an answer on to whether or not spellcasting requires a free hand in general?
it's never specified it doesn't, but at the same time it doesn't specify it does
example. it says spellcasting is basically entirely obvious, and all the spellcasters in the book show that they are using their FREE hands, but nothing specifies otherwise anywhere and people are freaking out trying to abuse it in ways that might not be intended
people are trying to use 2 handed heavy weapons, or any combination of weapons that fill all their hands, and then just cast spells because they think they can
and I feel this needs to be added to the FAQ that it SPECIFICALLY does or does not, none of this vague bs