Donkey and mule stats

[Matthew Shelton]

Either by omission or failure on my part, I can't seem to find Pathfinder stats on donkeys or mules. I realize there are stats for them in D&D monster manual I, but there are stats for other animals in MM1 which are in the Bestiary.

To put it another way, I would expect to see animal stats in the Bestiary for any pack animal or riding animal in the PFCR if for no other reason than to determine their encumbrance from their Strength score. This can be done with horses and ponies but not for donkeys or mules, even though both are listed for sale in the Equipment chapter.

[Seraphimpunk]

Just use a pony

[Glutton]

I swear there is a line in the core book about a mule being a pony with the advanced creature template, but I can't locate it online and my book is in the living room so meh.

[Seraphimpunk]

I have an amulet of laziness if you want it, it's just over there next to the TV

[Matthew Shelton]

There was this thread too, although I did not know about it.

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2zbp?Why-buy-a-Pony-when-I-can-have-a-Mule

[Lord Tsarkon]

Matthew Shelton wrote:

There was this thread too, although I did not know about it.

http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz2zbp?Why-buy-a-Pony-when-I-can-have-a-Mule

LINKIFIED and to the correct post

[StarSlayer]

Mules are really good animals, problem is they only have one listing for them and that really is a bad view of them.
The "pony" as a mule would turn it into something like the general mules used on farms, or a common pack mule

Mining mule. It was shorter than the normal mules used on farms. Acutally deals with going underground very well, Have a huge pulling capacity (even greater that the farm mule), but did not run as fast and did not carry live weight well.

Racing mule. Some people thought it would be a good sport and started to breed for fast mules that could carry light loads. Historically one such mule was owned by a trackhand who would challange professionals in races for side money. His mule never lost to any thoroughbred.

Draft Mule. This was the king of mules when it came to size. Average was about 2 hands shorter than a large draft horse that was used as the parent. although shorter they often had even more pulling power than the draft horse parent. The best mix for this was the Mammoth Jack donkey and the Shire Horse. (Belgian horse would be the second best.)

Yes I spent several days on line when it was time to make mules for the game.

[Adamantine Dragon]

In real life mules rule. Besides all the above they have a well-deserved reputation for being much more sure-footed than horses, and they are far less likely to spook in combat.

[Umbranus]

I use the rules for the pony but exchange the run feat for a 3rd poaty feat that increases carrying capacity (pack mule)

[Matthew Shelton]

Umbranus wrote:

I use the rules for the pony but exchange the run feat for a 3rd poaty feat that increases carrying capacity (pack mule)

Do you mean this one?

Pack Mule [by Open Design]

You can carry more than others of your stature.

Benefit: You gain a +4 bonus to Strength for the sole purpose of the weight you can carry (or your encumbrance).

[Umbranus]

Matthew Shelton wrote:

Umbranus wrote:

I use the rules for the pony but exchange the run feat for a 3rd poaty feat that increases carrying capacity (pack mule)

Do you mean this one?

Pack Mule [by Open Design]

You can carry more than others of your stature.

Benefit: You gain a +4 bonus to Strength for the sole purpose of the weight you can carry (or your encumbrance).

Exactly, that's the one.

In my book a mule or donkey doesn't have to be able to run fast but it should be able to carry a lot. That's why I made that change to the pony.

[Lord Fyre]

Donkey & Mule from FAQ

[GinoA]

There is also this http://paizo.com/products/btpy8auu/discuss&page=23?Pathfinder-Roleplayi ng-Game-Bestiary#1121