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Spells: A hexcrafter magus adds the following spells to his spell list: bestow curse, major curse, and all other spells of 6th level or lower that have the curse descriptor.
This seems pretty cut-and-dry, except that the curse spells (like most spells) are spread across multiple levels for multiple classes.
Bestow Curse: cleric 3, sorc/wiz 4, witch 3Major Curse: cleric 5, sorc/wiz 6, witch 5
Curse of Disgust: Bard 3, sorc/wiz 5, witch 5
Curse of Magic Negation: cleric 5, inquisitor 4, sorc/wiz 4, witch 4
So, what class do I use as a basis? I would assume the witch, since the Hexcrafter's abilities are based around Witch Hexes. But I could also see it being considered the earliest level possible, since the whole point of the archetype is cursing its enemies (even through spellstrike, which is really nifty). After all, the bard gets curse of disgust as a 3rd level spell, while everybody else needs to wait until 5th level spells to get it.
Putting the words "6th level or lower" is kind of arbitrary when multiple classes treat the same spells as different levels. Need an example? Just look at the spells on the summoner list.
-The Beast
P.S. - I am not bashing the Hexcrafter or the Summoner. I love both of these classes, and just want some clarification on which levels this archetype gets its titular spells.
Witch.
Witch.
Where is that written?
My guess is witch as well since it is suppose to be a witch version of the class.
My guess is that since the magus is similar to a wizard (wizard book, wizard casting stat, wizard haircut) wizard spells should be used.
Oh noez. Who's right?
My guess is witch as well since it is suppose to be a witch version of the class.My guess is that since the magus is similar to a wizard (wizard book, wizard casting stat, wizard haircut) wizard spells should be used.
Oh noez. Who's right?
"A hexcrafter magus has uncovered the secret of using his
arcane pool to recreate witch hexes. These magi can hexfriend and foe, curse those they strike, and expand their
spell selection to include many curses and harmful spells."
The whole point of the archetype is merging the Witch with the Magus. Why would it add the Wizard spells?
Cheapy, this is how i will rule the thing when the book will arrive from Amazon, in 2035 (joking). Your interpretation is reasonable (your's and Dark Mistress')but is an interpretation.
The passages cites hexes, not spell lists of a specific caster. A little more clarity from whose writing the rules goes a long way.
@Dark_Mistress: I didn't intend being rude with you - I apologize if you felt I did.
Bumping this question.
I favor the option of using the witch spell level, but what about these spells, none of which is a witch spell at all: brand, brand (greater), crafter's curse, and mark of justice?
And, taking the rules as written, the hexcrafter magus can even cast oracle's burden, which makes no sense at all...
The rules here are ambiguous and need to be clarified.
I know they can cast Oracle's Burden, but I think if they do, it literally does nothing unless they also have a level in Oracle.
What I was kind of thinking, because they cast like a wizard, and in my opinion...
It has to kind of be a house-ruled thing. I'd say: If a witch casts the spell, use the witch's spell level. If a witch doesn't, use the wizard/sorcerer level. If neither Witch, nor Sorcerer, use the... either lowest, or perhaps average. It does make sense for them to use the lowest in this case since it specializes in curses, but I could see why people would say otherwise, for balance reasons. Likely up to DM on the third part.
TL;DR:
Can a Witch cast it?
Yes: Use the Witch Spell Level.
No: Check to see if a Wizard/Sorc can use it.
Can a Wizard/Sorc use it?
Yes: Use the Wizard/Sorc spell level.
No: Check if there's multiple classes that learn it.
Do multiple classes use it?
Yes: Ask DM if you should use the lowest or average level.
No: Use whatever spell level the class who uses it uses it at.