Righteous Indignation

Mikaze wrote:

Woop! Love how this explains where Ragathiel's darker aspects are coming from. But now this just makes me even more curious about what his childhood must have been like!

Funny detail: That holy symbol is the one worn by the aasimar from Blood of Angels/Champions of Purity. So the "iconic" aasimar worships a Supertiefling. :D

Double win?

Not really. Ragathiel is the son of a goddess, and also happens to be the son of an archdevil, as well. I'm pretty sure that as things go, the divinity of his mother, (Sarenrae, ok, probably not, but maybe) would far outstrip an archdevil, though it's clear Dispater held more of a social/political interest in Ragathiel thereafter. More of a super Aasimar, or more like a super Half-Celestial, but you could argue almost a sort of Aasimar/Tiefling duality, or sorts, which is kind of cool in itself. ALso I would see lot of Tieflings (and others like Drow and Half-Orcs) interested in redemption and overcomming their baser urges and natures to find Ragathiel an ideal example to follow and strive towards, even if they are not Lawful or Good.

I would like such a book for other alignments.

I generally don't have a problem getting players to play good aligned characters. If anything I find it hard to get them to play Lawful and Chaotic alignments. They seem to love the flexibility of Neutral Good, where they are "good" people and yet can be very organic and natural in their roleplaying style.

Even so, they will play those alignments if the class mandates it.

I guess it would be really cool to see some powerful special unique outsiders for the neutral alignments, especially psychopomps and/or inevitables and proteans.

What was the alignment that allows you to be as bad as possible without being Evil? Yeah, that one needs a book!

Lawful Good?

Icyshadow wrote:

Mikaze wrote:

Woop! Love how this explains where Ragathiel's darker aspects are coming from. But now this just makes me even more curious about what his childhood must have been like!

Funny detail: That holy symbol is the one worn by the aasimar from Blood of Angels/Champions of Purity. So the "iconic" aasimar worships a Supertiefling. :D

Double win?

Not really. Ragathiel is the son of a goddess, and also happens to be the son of an archdevil, as well. I'm pretty sure that as things go, the divinity of his mother, (Sarenrae, ok, probably not, but maybe) would far outstrip an archdevil, though it's clear Dispater held more of a social/political interest in Ragathiel thereafter. More of a super Aasimar, or more like a super Half-Celestial, but you could argue almost a sort of Aasimar/Tiefling duality, or sorts, which is kind of cool in itself. ALso I would see lot of Tieflings (and others like Drow and Half-Orcs) interested in redemption and overcomming their baser urges and natures to find Ragathiel an ideal example to follow and strive towards, even if they are not Lawful or Good.

His mom's Feronia, a neutral elemental demi-goddess. He still had the deck stacked against him as far as good-evil family influence goes, but he still pulled a Dante on his dad. :)

or Sparda, to be picky about it

Mikaze wrote:

Celestian?

Can't use that name. ;)

D:

Freakin' past, always swiping our stuff!

Beckett wrote:

Icyshadow wrote:

Mikaze wrote:

Woop! Love how this explains where Ragathiel's darker aspects are coming from. But now this just makes me even more curious about what his childhood must have been like!

Funny detail: That holy symbol is the one worn by the aasimar from Blood of Angels/Champions of Purity. So the "iconic" aasimar worships a Supertiefling. :D

Double win?

Not really. Ragathiel is the son of a goddess, and also happens to be the son of an archdevil, as well. I'm pretty sure that as things go, the divinity of his mother, (Sarenrae, ok, probably not, but maybe) would far outstrip an archdevil, though it's clear Dispater held more of a social/political interest in Ragathiel thereafter. More of a super Aasimar, or more like a super Half-Celestial, but you could argue almost a sort of Aasimar/Tiefling duality, or sorts, which is kind of cool in itself. ALso I would see lot of Tieflings (and others like Drow and Half-Orcs) interested in redemption and overcomming their baser urges and natures to find Ragathiel an ideal example to follow and strive towards, even if they are not Lawful or Good.

His mom's Feronia, a neutral elemental demi-goddess. He still had the deck stacked against him as far as good-evil family influence goes, but he still pulled a Dante on his dad. :)

or Sparda, to be picky about it

Perhaps he was a half-fiend efreet?

Mikaze wrote:

Beckett wrote:

Icyshadow wrote:

Mikaze wrote:

Woop! Love how this explains where Ragathiel's darker aspects are coming from. But now this just makes me even more curious about what his childhood must have been like!

Funny detail: That holy symbol is the one worn by the aasimar from Blood of Angels/Champions of Purity. So the "iconic" aasimar worships a Supertiefling. :D

Double win?

Not really. Ragathiel is the son of a goddess, and also happens to be the son of an archdevil, as well. I'm pretty sure that as things go, the divinity of his mother, (Sarenrae, ok, probably not, but maybe) would far outstrip an archdevil, though it's clear Dispater held more of a social/political interest in Ragathiel thereafter. More of a super Aasimar, or more like a super Half-Celestial, but you could argue almost a sort of Aasimar/Tiefling duality, or sorts, which is kind of cool in itself. ALso I would see lot of Tieflings (and others like Drow and Half-Orcs) interested in redemption and overcomming their baser urges and natures to find Ragathiel an ideal example to follow and strive towards, even if they are not Lawful or Good.

His mom's Feronia, a neutral elemental demi-goddess. He still had the deck stacked against him as far as good-evil family influence goes, but he still pulled a Dante on his dad. :)

or Sparda, to be picky about it

Perhaps he was a half-fiend efreet?

Tiefrit? pl. Tiefreeti?

We already have THREE Evil books. We need more Good and Neutral books, not more Evil!

I simply can't make that add up. If you're thinking Player Companion books only, then it seems to me that the score's currently 2-1-1 in Good's favor with Champions of Purity and the three Faiths of books.

I think the three evil outsiders books are what he is counting.

I think so too, and if that's the case, I disagree with the inclusion of those books in the math. But that's something I've mentioned a few times already whenever people have done so, and I won't repeat that here. :)

I think so too, and if that's the case, I disagree with the inclusion of those books in the math. But that's something I've mentioned a few times already whenever people have done so, and I won't repeat that here. :)

How is Chronicles of the Righteous not the same style book as the Books of the Damned?

Yeah, I think there's some confusion going back and forth.

I believe Bardess is talking about the campaign setting books, of which there are currently three dedicated to evil outsiders(one book dealing with one type each), and this book for good outsiders(all types covered).

Now as far as player option books go, Good now has the book quantity advantage, but it should be noted that before Champions of Purity hit, there was a dearth of options for many classes to be heavily flavored towards good while there were plenty of evil ones already. CoP is the shot in the arm those characters sorely needed. That doesn't mean Champions of Balance/Corruption aren't nearly a certainty though. ;)

And to be honest, I kind of hope they don't make them. Champions of Purity was something long overdue, and pretty much needed, and I wouldn't at all mind seeing another one or two books that follow suit.

Well, I think a "Neutral" book would be helpful for many players, if only in Zap Brannigans honor. ^^

But as I said, I don't really think players need another incentive to play evil characters and I fear that the developers couldn't stop themselves from making the evil feats more powerful than the ones we got in this book. Just... experience from other games.

I can hardly wait for this book. I have a wizard right now that worships Ragathiel and is going to take levels in cleric so I can MT him.

I really hope that Neutral doesn't get a similar book, honestly, and really would take an Evil book over it any day. Besides being the mechanical best already, what other incentive to play neutral is needed?

I really hope that Neutral doesn't get a similar book, honestly, and really would take an Evil book over it any day. Besides being the mechanical best already, what other incentive to play neutral is needed?

Because making something interesting out of neutrality isn't nearly as simple as going TurboGood or TurboEvil.

Really? It seems almost the gold standard these days.

Only if you believe that the only alternative to Evil is its' direct opposite. Luckily, not everybody sees the world as a dichotomy.

I'm not sure anyone believes that, but that's also not really relevant. I think you have mixed yourself up somehow. :)

Interesting neutral characters are the standard only if you only see the opposition between good and evil?

Given that Ragathiel has an angelic look, could this means that Dispater (and maybe some other archevils) are once angelish-type beings? Or at least looked like angels?

Awesome character, but I can't help but feel it was a wasted opportunity to have the art of him fighting unarmed Succubi. He'd be taking on a Pit Fiend with Antipaladin levels and nothing else.

Well, that wouldn't even make sense. Pit Fiends are LE, and the only alignment open to antipaladins is CE.

Given that Ragathiel has an angelic look, could this means that Dispater (and maybe some other archevils) are once angelish-type beings? Or at least looked like angels?

I believe that the Archdukes are fallen angels.

From Wes's Kobold Quarterly article on him:

We need a "Book of Shrugged Indifference".

The Book of Exalted Meh.

Well since I asked the original question. Yes I would like the book of evil and book of neutral alignment.

Champions of Purity is pretty neat but a similar work up for champions of evil and casual followers of neutrality would both be welcome tools in my bookcase. I seldom if ever let my player play evil because it tends to be a good excuse to settle in game arguments with a quick stab to the spleen. however as a resource for npc's it would be nice and neutrality seems so poorly understood that a book I could hand over and have the confused read would be even nicer.