Inappropriately Sized Firearms (Ultimate Combat, page 136): Does this allow a Medium or smaller creature to use larger firearms of any size?The text of the rule is, "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it." The intent of that rule was to prevent a Medium character from using a Small rifle as a one-handed pistol; it wasn’t intended to let a Medium character use a Large, Huge, Gargantuan, or Colossal two-handed firearm as a two-handed weapon. Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it. Specifically in the case of firearms, a Medium character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Large or larger creature, and a Small character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Medium or larger creature.
So, the intent is not what they wrote. He never changed the wording, he just said this wasn't the intent.
So he since he didn't change the wording the quote, "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it" means ignoe what he says.
He wrote " Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it. " That should settle it.
If one of my players ever insisted on it, well 20 kobold gunslingers with giant guns aren't that funny.
But he never changed the line: "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it". Thus you can wield a gargantuan rifle as a meduim creature.
If he wished it to not work he should say ignore the line in the book. But he didn't.
Many times the FAQ will just give intent. Later on they will errata it. Errata's are posted all at once, not individually, but until errata is posted most GM's are happy knowing intent.
Many times the FAQ will just give intent. Later on they will errata it. Errata's are posted all at once, not individually, but until errata is posted most GM's are happy knowing intent.
those rules never say you can use a large two handed gun. They say the size doesn't change the mount of hands. The core rules about over sized weapons still apply. Case closed.
Inappropriately Sized Firearms (Ultimate Combat, page 136): Does this allow a Medium or smaller creature to use larger firearms of any size?The text of the rule is, "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it." The intent of that rule was to prevent a Medium character from using a Small rifle as a one-handed pistol; it wasn’t intended to let a Medium character use a Large, Huge, Gargantuan, or Colossal two-handed firearm as a two-handed weapon. Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it. Specifically in the case of firearms, a Medium character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Large or larger creature, and a Small character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Medium or larger creature.
So, the intent is not what they wrote. He never changed the wording, he just said this wasn't the intent.
So he since he didn't change the wording the quote, "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it" means ignoe what he says.
He wrote " Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it. " That should settle it.
If one of my players ever insisted on it, well 20 kobold gunslingers with giant guns aren't that funny.
But he never changed the line: "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it". Thus you can wield a gargantuan rifle as a meduim creature.
If he wished it to not work he should say ignore the line in the book. But he didn't.
Holy moly, man, he just said you can not wield a two-handed firearm of any size larger than you at all, how do you read that as you can?
I can't believe I have to quote something from the top of the page we are reading, but:
Inappropriately Sized Firearms (Ultimate Combat, page 136): Does this allow a Medium or smaller creature to use larger firearms of any size?
The text of the rule is, "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it." The intent of that rule was to prevent a Medium character from using a Small rifle as a one-handed pistol; it wasn’t intended to let a Medium character use a Large, Huge, Gargantuan, or Colossal two-handed firearm as a two-handed weapon. Just like with non-firearms, a creature cannot wield a weapon that’s far too big or small for it. Specifically in the case of firearms, a Medium character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Large or larger creature, and a Small character can’t use a two-handed firearm sized for a Medium or larger creature.
He is trying to say the book overrules the devs.
Many times the FAQ will just give intent. Later on they will errata it. Errata's are posted all at once, not individually, but until errata is posted most GM's are happy knowing intent.those rules never say you can use a large two handed gun. They say the size doesn't change the mount of hands. The core rules about over sized weapons still apply. Case closed.
You are preachin' to the choir.
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He is trying to say the book overrules the devs.
As you know, and others seem unable to grasp, the book and the devs agree, but some people just don't seem to understand the English language. Such a sad commentary on education in the 21st century.
But he never changed the line: "The size of a firearm never affects how many hands you need to use to shoot it".
It's a good thing the restriction against weilding a larger-than-medium two-handed weapon isn't based on the number of hands you need to shoot it -- it's based on the fact that you can't wield a larger-than-medium two-handed weapon. Those are the rules.
Thus you can wield a gargantuan rifle as a meduim creature.
No, you can't.
If he wished it to not work he should say ignore the line in the book. But he didn't.
...because he didn't need to.
You are preachin' to the choir.Many times the FAQ will just give intent. Later on they will errata it. Errata's are posted all at once, not individually, but until errata is posted most GM's are happy knowing intent.those rules never say you can use a large two handed gun. They say the size doesn't change the mount of hands. The core rules about over sized weapons still apply. Case closed.
oops. I meant to quote Starbuck. I post from a cell so sometimes it gets the best of me.
A cell phone if I must clarify...
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A cell phone if I must clarify...
I personally found the original post more amusing.