[SFS_Aerondor] 03-20 Fleeting Truth: Everchanging revelation (11-14) (Inactive)

Game Master Aerondor

Yikes. I'd never taken that rule aboard. Nasty.

With respect to the gameplay post, we now have Tolar at normal speed, but with the haste circuit active. Correct?

Right.

That last zap of the armour took its damage to exactly its hp.

Welcome to high Tier.

That dismissal was a masterstroke, I hate to think what fighting two of them together would have been like. And that fight was low tier (CR 15), if you were high tier there would have been four of them (though how would they fit? Some of these maps are not well thought out).

We got really lucky with that, a high save would have meant it was a wasted spell slot for nothing. Of course now I'm down to one 4th-level slot left, and we still have at least a boss fight to go. Buckle up.

I'm a little dismayed that the scenario seems to be forcing us to choose between surviving and succeeding as a binary option. Based on GM's comment, it sounds like a 10 minute rest will result in loss of the data. But having one of our main front-liners start the next fight (boss fight? Maybe? Maybe not even that yet?) at 0 Stamina and already used an Inspiring Boost means Tolar will not likely survive another fight like what we just went through, and if that was just a warm up, the party won't survive long either.

I say screw it and take the Rest. Live to fight another day, and let Guidance sort out what it can from whatever we do bring back.

I'm a little dismayed that the scenario seems to be forcing us to choose between surviving and succeeding as a binary option. Based on GM's comment, it sounds like a 10 minute rest will result in loss of the data. But having one of our main front-liners start the next fight (boss fight? Maybe? Maybe not even that yet?) at 0 Stamina and already used an Inspiring Boost means Tolar will not likely survive another fight like what we just went through, and if that was just a warm up, the party won't survive long either.

I say screw it and take the Rest. Live to fight another day, and let Guidance sort out what it can from whatever we do bring back.

I see your point. If we go with this Id will use healing touch on Tolar instead of mystic cure to save himself a 4th-level spell slot.

If we in a real hurry, then we really should go without 10 minutes

The first scenario in the series was also on a clock, but there was time for a single 10-minute rest at least. High tier was never meant to be fair.

Kait'lax is unharmed and would vote to press on, but would also defer to Tolar, as he is the one risking the most by skipping the rest period. Maybe he can lean more on ranged weapons and hope a wall of tech (drone and powered armor) and keep him alive?

The issue is my main ranged weapon is a 60 foot cone And notably lower damage. Not very party friendly. I can try it. Maybe Joe can distract them long enough to pew-pew the enemies to death.

I just need a definite call on the rest. You've had two battles so far, and while your cake-walked the first one (who had some unfortunate rolls), the second has shown you what high tier play can do in terms of dealing damage in a rapid manner. That said, the longer you take, the more damage will be done to the tower and the records that you are trying to save...

To be clear by can't damage em I meant Dridapex asked us not to. If we decide violence is the answer I can probably cause some damage.

With respect to significant enemies, if you can find a FAQ saying that traps can be a significant enemy, then I'm happy to run with it. The rules only talk about creatures.

In general, a creature with a CR less than or equal to your character level – 4 is not a significant enemy.

I'll even settle for a good discussion thread with a paizo person for VL/VC chiming in on the subject in an affirmative manner.

Well, I am VL. But I am not sure honestly.
Wording is clear about creatures only, that's true. We can stay with this, but I will be happy if there will be any clarification.

I posted on the rules forum as well, as I think it is pretty unclear myself, and this affects lots of other things as well, such as envoy ability to use inspiring boost.

Maybe Tolar being on the enemy side now makes it a credible threat.

Sorry. Lots of traveling the last couple days. I'll try to keep up better.

It's getting toward the end of the encounter, but a straw poll (i.e. folk have provided opinions but nothing really to back them up) shows general favor toward letting the trap count as a significant enemy, so if you want to use abilities gated by a significant enemy then you may do so.

So far as I am aware the anti gravity belt only reduces the impact of gravity on you. It convers no ability to actually levitate or fly.

I was asking if we needed to be using the belts in order to achieve full fly speed movements. Jaqweh has a jet pack.

Yes.

On the plus side...
There are lots of the horde well away from the main group (its's massive) so if you wanted to target them with grenades/AOE you can do so without risking damaging the party.

On the minus side..
Tthose of you caught up in the horde... will take automatic damage anytime you would attract an AOO.

I plan to hit it with grenade after grenade.

I'm heading off for a few days. Should be back Monday. I might get another post in before I leave, but not sure.

We are getting close to the conclusion now.

Has anyone played 1-11 "In pursuit of the Scoured Past" with the character they are playing in this scenario?

Different character of mine has that chronicle.

We are getting close to the conclusion now.

Has anyone played 1-11 "In pursuit of the Scoured Past" with the character they are playing in this scenario?

Id has that Chronicle, yeah.

Kait'lax has also done that mission.

Tolar has played it.

Has anyone played 1-11 "In pursuit of the Scoured Past" with the character they are playing in this scenario?

Yes, Jaqweh has done that one.

Wow, 4 of us have, that's pretty unusual. (Joe still to reply.)

Handy!

And do you recall if you sampled the memories of Kelria?

I think so. I definitely got the boon for sharing a memory, but it's been two years, so I'm not positive.

Same here. Pretty sure I did.

Hm. WHere is my post?
I did not play #1-11 at all...

I know Id did, but I don't remember it.

I don't remember. I sampled Melancholic if that matters.

I think by default everyone samples everyone elses. So if you don't remember, I'll assume you did sample it.

It looks like group consensus is for a rest. Honestly, I'm impressed you made it this far without one.

Just need a confirm on that and we'll move onward.

Not only have I never TPKed a party (though I've come close a few times with only one or two characters up and single digit hp), I have also never actually killed a character. Yet.

I have a group going through bonekeep at the moment in Core and one of them just came very, very close to being my first.

This being in the context of organised play. Freeform I've got my fair share of scalps.

At SF it's really hard to kill a character, that's right.

But during PF-1 accidents happened. I saw some nasty s&!@ as a palyer.

And I destroyed a lot of lives during different campaigns and Adventure Paths, because I like to bring challenge and punish experienced players for mistakes.
I think you felt pressure last scenario :)

I do not really fan of dungeon crawlers, but know what's Bonekeep is. I mean, a lot of instruments to bring pain ...

I am GMing PF-1 #3-15 Haunting of Hinojai currently at PbP. Harsh scenario with a horror atmosphere. Some chances than someone may die in there...

I've lost a couple of characters in PF1. A level 4 Witch that just got focus fired during an ambush and a level 8 Inquisitor that got dominated and the party was too busy trying to escape him to be able to save him. (Dedicated archer with a T-Rex animal companion and no other damage dealers in the party.)

I got TPK'ed in Bonekeep in PFS. All the other characters were built for fluff and fun, not damage or healing or even skills really. We honestly just had no idea what we were in for,; we thought it was just another regular PFS scenario. Wasn't any fun, and I won't play the other Bonekeeps, even with a good GM and an optimized party.

That's three votes for rest, so I guess it's naptime.

Never been involved in a d20 TPK, though I have had two in other systems. One was a silly game where we expected it to happen at some point, and the other was a long-term WoD game where the GM retconned it into a dream so we could keep playing.

Oddly, both were initiated by the same player.

My group got TBKed in WoD as well. We were gen 11 and after months of play were up to about the 1980s. The GM hod just bought the werewolf book and decided to have us fight a bunch of them.

We were slaughtered.

Does that DC 23 on the grenades take the -2 to hit into account?

Where does the -2 to hit come from?

Normally grenades DC for half damage is 10+half item level + dex modifier. I'm not aware of other factors influencing that, but happy to learn.

"Any penalty you take to your attack roll also applies to this save DC."

One reason why Grenades don't do so hot mid battle. Lots of cover.

Good catch. Nope, so DC21 only.

That grenade was fired out of a grenade launcher, at least mine was, and grenade launcher has range 60.

Nahh, this is the pair of grenades your all time favorite hellknight thought she would add to the party. IF jackojare wants to keep with his grenade I'll roll the reflex now.

Oh, I see it now, I read the update on discussion first before I read the update on gameplay, this is their grenades vs the party.