You shouldn't feel bad about saying it. I have made an attempt to get in touch with him about this game recently. I'd ask for a small forbearance while I work on that.
How about either:
1) cutting your corruption in half;
Or
2) being able to split a total of 15 points of skill between Cool and Endurance, allocated as you want
I've got more Corruption than Landolf ! :)
If I may , I'll take the corruption relief as my boon.
Landolf's current Corruption is a concern, but his ability to deal with it going forward is a larger one, so I'll take the advances.
Out of the two, Landolf's Endurance us better than his Cool & he can get access to improve it further more easily in Seaman II. I think I better throw all 15 advances at Cool.
How about either:
1) cutting your corruption in half;
Or
2) being able to split a total of 15 points of skill between Cool and Endurance, allocated as you want
I've got more Corruption than Landolf ! :)
If I may , I'll take the corruption relief as my boon.
Wow, I didn’t realize how black Ruprecht’s soul is becoming :D - luckily Sigmar realizes you’re working on his behalf so you suddenly feel only half as corrupt as you did before.
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Went back in the Discussion thread some today looking for signs of what we've been doing with our Ambitions. Adelaida made a good post back in October and I think it still represents the current state of affairs pretty well.
Adelaida
Short-Term Ambition: learning to read/write
Long-Term Ambition: defend the Empire from a Major threat (internal or external)
Landolf
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Glorious Weather Short-Term Ambition: gain the support of a noble house
Long-Term Ambition: Clear his family's debt
Valghaz
Short-Term Ambition: I don't see a record of it, but I think I remember that Valghaz had made this ambition settling his grudge over our missing pay for the road trip. If I recall right, he considered this incomplete because we hadn't caught up with Andreas yet.
Long-Term Ambition: get gold and status
Ruprecht
Short-Term Ambition: earn his stripes as a boatman
Long-Term Ambition: was about hitching his fortune to Landolf's noble family, though he was debating changing that
Party
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Long-Term Ambition: not assigned
For Landolf's Short-Term Ambition (non-Glorious Weather) I was talking at one point about making contact with one of his family's debtors. That's definitely different from his other Short-Term Ambition of gaining the support of a noble house and it is directly related to his Long-Term Ambition. Unless there are any objections, I think I'll officially choose that.
For the Party Ambitions, I'm not really bothered by the lack of a Long-Term Ambition. We don't really have a solid goal yet. We are probably overdue to choose a Party Short-Term Ambition though. What do people think of something like "end the Dark Cult threat in Bogenhafen"?
I think my overall instinct is to get Party Ambitions from the plot of the main campaign and to get Personal Ambitions from other sources.
Great post!
Party:
* Short-Term: Prove ourselves to the Witch Hunters!
* Long-Term: Make our Company name impressive enough for people to seek us out for hiring us
I think that this should work, no?
Valghaz:
* Short-Term: I'd like to make Valghaz' short-term goal being the sending of word back home to Karak Azgaraz. Not for something as mundane as saying "I miss you guys!" But rather to have his grudge against Andreas recorded in the Clan's book of grudges! I think it is reasonable to assume that Andreas is on the run and is probably far gone by now with the gold. So it is only right for his name to go into the Book, and for the Clan to have a case against Andreas, his family, and all of his descendents.
* Long-Term: Get gold and status
You shouldn't feel bad about saying it. I have made an attempt to get in touch with him about this game recently. I'd ask for a small forbearance while I work on that.
Sounds good, we’ve got 4 active players now which is fine for the nonce (I’ve always wanted to use nonce in a sentence). If Markus doesn’t plan on rejoining then I’ll recruit another player.
Went back in the Discussion thread some today looking for signs of what we've been doing with our Ambitions. Adelaida made a good post back in October and I think it still represents the current state of affairs pretty well.
Adelaida
Short-Term Ambition: learning to read/write
Long-Term Ambition: defend the Empire from a Major threat (internal or external)Landolf
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Glorious Weather Short-Term Ambition: gain the support of a noble house
Long-Term Ambition: Clear his family's debtValghaz
Short-Term Ambition: I don't see a record of it, but I think I remember that Valghaz had made this ambition settling his grudge over our missing pay for the road trip. If I recall right, he considered this incomplete because we hadn't caught up with Andreas yet.
Long-Term Ambition: get gold and statusRuprecht
Short-Term Ambition: earn his stripes as a boatman
Long-Term Ambition: was about hitching his fortune to Landolf's noble family, though he was debating changing thatParty
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Long-Term Ambition: not assigned
For Landolf's Short-Term Ambition (non-Glorious Weather) I was talking at one point about making contact with one of his family's debtors. That's definitely different from his other Short-Term Ambition of gaining the support of a noble house and it is directly related to his Long-Term Ambition. Unless there are any objections, I think I'll officially choose that.
For the Party Ambitions, I'm not really bothered by the lack of a Long-Term Ambition. We don't really have a solid goal yet. We are probably overdue to choose a Party Short-Term Ambition...
Adelaida’s short term ambition is complete if she wants it to be. I think her long term ambition is also very doable if she does become a Witch-Hunter.
Landolf - unfortunately Bogenhafen is a free city run by merchants so none of these folks are nobles. The other proposed short term ambition is fine and you’ll actually have a chance to complete it in Bogenhafen
Valghaz - the new short term ambition is fine.
Ruprecht - actually did complete his Boatman ambition so needs to pick a new short term.
The suggested party short term ambition makes complete sense.
Landolf - unfortunately Bogenhafen is a free city run by merchants so none of these folks are nobles. The other proposed short term ambition is fine and you’ll actually have a chance to complete it in Bogenhafen
OK, I really wasn't getting that. Maybe I knew that Bogenhafen was a free city, but I guess I thought there would still be noble families present. That makes some of what I've had Yvonne doing be a little incoherent.
I think it's fine though if I just tweak things around. Yvonne has already been looking for one of his family's debt holders. She just hasn't had any luck with that yet. He's also had her trying to get meetings for him with what I thought were noble families but were really prominent families in Bogenhafen, probably merchants of some sort. That would make more sense if Landolf really did have a business relationship to propose between them and the Gersun family back in Ubersreik...maybe not completely firm, but less tentative than the way I was describing things while talking with Franz Steinhager. I'd assume that making business contacts like this would be one means of working toward clearing his family's debt, if only a minor one.
I'm fine with waiting on the "gain the support of a noble house" ambition until later, probably back in Altdorf.
Note: in the above post, I said I was wanting to make his short-term ambition be "make contact with one of his family's debtors". But a debtor would be someone that owed them money. That should be "make contact with one of his family's debt holders". Creditors is probably another good term, but given the age and staleness of the debt, I think debt holder might be better. The debt is just stupidly bad for both Landolf's family and the debt holders in question. That doesn't mean that they'll be fine with whatever Landolf proposes, but they should be interested in finding some way to get value out of a bad asset.
I saw that the Middenheim book came out recently. To my understanding, it has more human 'races' to pick from and full rules for Middenball.
Has anyone picked it up yet? I'm interested, but don't want to get it if it is going to have spoilers for this campaign.
I saw that the Middenheim book came out recently. To my understanding, it has more human 'races' to pick from and full rules for Middenball.
Has anyone picked it up yet? I'm interested, but don't want to get it if it is going to have spoilers for this campaign.
It seems to be set a few years before this campaign except for an appendix that updates the history of the city taking into account the events of the Enemy in Shadows campaign. So, the only spoilers should be the info in that appendix.
As above, Landolf's meeting with the Haagen family is intended by him to be a business relationship proposal. I spent a bit of time trying to figure out what sort of business that Landolf would be likely to suggest. I browsed over some wikis and noticed that Karak Azgaraz does much of its business with the Empire through Ubersreik. I expect that most of that flow of goods goes down the Teufel rather than across land toward Bogenhafen and that although Bogenhafen also does trade in minerals from the Grey Mountains, they would probably have a relative scarcity of dwarf-crafted goods.
Landolf's family isn't prominent in Ubersreik, but their estate in Grey Lady Pass probably does situate them favorably to facilitate a trade deal between Bogenhafen & Karak Azgaraz.
Does that make sense?
Makes sense. And given that Valghaz is from Karak Azgaraz, he'd make a decent middle man to introduce Landolf to the Clan leadership. Get him a proper introduction, which should help with negotiations.
One career that could interest Adelaida is Warrior priest: less hierarchy (maybe) and she can put her dedication to the Empire to good use.
of course she would be a faithfull of Sigmar
I was thinking too of the Doomed Traits shared by all humans, a prophecy of how they could die, and propose this one "From the womb to the tomb", which, for Adelaida, means that any trip to her native lands (Bretonnia) could be fatally dangerous (or maybe she has an unknown, devious sibling who schemes for her death, only the GM knows!)
Good idea on Adelaida going warrior priestess! Given her faith, getting pray would be a much better way of showing her faith than being a witch hunter. Plus, who doesn't love a Sister of Sigmar?
Is anyone getting snowed in really bad? We have snow, but in low/normal amounts for this time of year.
Nope, but I'm in France. Had a few very cold days last week.
Nope, but I'm in [s]France.[/s\] Bretonnia. Had a few very cold days last week.
I’m in Naggaroth, close to Naggarond. Snowed, but most of it is gone now
One career that could interest Adelaida is Warrior priest: less hierarchy (maybe) and she can put her dedication to the Empire to good use.
of course she would be a faithfull of Sigmar
I was thinking too of the Doomed Traits shared by all humans, a prophecy of how they could die, and propose this one "From the womb to the tomb", which, for Adelaida, means that any trip to her native lands (Bretonnia) could be fatally dangerous (or maybe she has an unknown, devious sibling who schemes for her death, only the GM knows!)
Warrior-Priest makes more sense from a gaming point of view since WP’s can be free to wander as they see fit in the service of their deity. If you have completed your current career then it’s 100 XP to switch careers. If you want to do it before completing your current career it’s 200 XP.
Is anyone getting snowed in really bad? We have snow, but in low/normal amounts for this time of year.
We’ve had probably 2 feet so far this winter and are expecting another 6-9 inches tomorrow. It’s a nice change from last year were we had about an inch of snow total.
Adelaida
Short-Term Ambition: Buying a warhammer to honor Sigmar and become practised with it (+5 WS bonus)
Long-Term Ambition: defend the Empire from a Major threat (internal or external)
Landolf
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Glorious Weather Short-Term Ambition: gain the support of a noble house - might be close to achieving this one, but definitely not there yet
Long-Term Ambition: Clear his family's debt
Valghaz
Short-Term Ambition: I don't see a record of it, but I think I remember that Valghaz had made this ambition settling his grudge over our missing pay for the road trip. If I recall right, he considered this incomplete because we hadn't caught up with Andreas yet.
Long-Term Ambition: get gold and status
Ruprecht
Short-Term Ambition: earn his stripes as a boatman - there was some debate about whether he had completed this. I'm not sure how that came out.
Long-Term Ambition: was about hitching his fortune to Landolf's noble family, though he was debating changing that
Party
Short-Term Ambition: not assigned
Long-Term Ambition: not assigned
There were a few updates to Ambitions after my last post on it. I'll integrate Adelaida's addition here:
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Adelaida
Short-Term Ambition: Buying a warhammer to honor Sigmar and become practised with it (+5 WS bonus)
Long-Term Ambition: defend the Empire from a Major threat (internal or external)
Landolf
Short-Term Ambition: Make contact with one of the Gersun family debt holders
Glorious Weather Short-Term Ambition: gain the support of a noble house
Long-Term Ambition: Clear his family's debt
Valghaz
Short-Term Ambition: Send word to Karak Azgaraz (of Grudge against Andreas)
Long-Term Ambition: get gold and status
Ruprecht
Short-Term Ambition: currently unassigned (boatman Ambition was complete)
Long-Term Ambition: was about hitching his fortune to Landolf's noble family, though he was debating changing that
Party
Short-Term Ambition: either "End the Dark Cult threat in Bogenhafen" or "Prove ourselves to the Witch Hunters" according to the discussion above. I think these are largely the same thing.
Long-Term Ambition: not assigned
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As I was adding changes for Valghaz's Ambition, I noticed that he was talking about sending a letter back to Karak Azgaraz. Landolf needs to send a letter just a little less far to Grey Lady Pass for his own efforts. Maybe they should bundle the missives?
For the Party Long-Term Ambition, I've been hoping to get a better sense of where the campaign is going. If we get a pretty clear signal in Bogenhafen that the cult conspiracy is much larger than one city, I think might want to declare a Longer Ambition of chasing down the threat elsewhere in Reikland.
Right...not sure I received my xp for my boatman ambition being satisfied....at least not in my character sheet...or in the discussion...
New short term, let's say Ruprecht will use his advisory abilities to facilitate Landolf's new deal....writing letters, greasing palms, whatever the current adventure allows him.
...and just rolled a 1 on that charm test. I don't think that Valghaz has failed a charm test yet. Can't wait until we get to Altdorf and Valghaz can get charm as a trainable skill. This dwarf has earned it! :D
And sorry Landolf for not sending letters together. Given that Valgahz is sending a letter for clan business, I figured that he wouldn't want to mix it with business.
Letter has been written! When writing it, I tried to keep 'Grudgelore' in mind. That book states that for dwarves, grudges are their main form of history. With that in mind, I figured that rather than writing a letter that goes "Dear mom and dead, I miss you. How's the mining going? Summer camp has been fun. We fought a troll!" it would instead be explaining a grudge, which just so happens to fill them in on everything that has been happening.
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With the letter written ad with it being sent, would it be fair to say that the short term goal is done? If so, then the next short term goal would be to get to Altdorf and find the Order.
Letter has been written! When writing it, I tried to keep 'Grudgelore' in mind. That book states that for dwarves, grudges are their main form of history. With that in mind, I figured that rather than writing a letter that goes "Dear mom and dead, I miss you. How's the mining going? Summer camp has been fun. We fought a troll!" it would instead be explaining a grudge, which just so happens to fill them in on everything that has been happening.
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With the letter written ad with it being sent, would it be fair to say that the short term goal is done? If so, then the next short term goal would be to get to Altdorf and find the Order.
I agree that Valghaz’s short term goal is finished
GM, can you confirm that Ruprecht passes his last short term ambition, becoming a ok boatman? And that he didn't' get the xp for it?
Any thoughts on my proposed new short term ambition : Ruprecht will use his advisory abilities to facilitate Landolf's new deal....writing letters, greasing palms, whatever the current adventure allows him.
Thanks
GM, can you confirm that Ruprecht passes his last short term ambition, becoming a ok boatman? And that he didn't' get the xp for it?
Any thoughts on my proposed new short term ambition : Ruprecht will use his advisory abilities to facilitate Landolf's new deal....writing letters, greasing palms, whatever the current adventure allows him.
Thanks
I’m almost positive he did complete it, I don’t remember you getting the XP for it though. As a reminder, completing a short term ambition gets you 50 XP
I’m fine with the new short term ambition as long as Landolf is since you’ll be helping him
Bringing the ooc discussion from Gameplay over here.
I think we do still have some options at the current meeting. I'm just not sure I want to take them or that Landolf would.
* tell this guy that he's playing footsie with Chaos cultists & see where that goes
* try to press him for names of the big Seven (he might be one but he never said he was)
Both moves are sort of aggressive.
In-game, aside from pursuing avenues similar to the ones above, I think we'd probably retreat to the Berebeli before discussing things further.
I'm honestly not entirely certain what we should do at this point to continue the investigation. We sort of have enough information to go on, but we sort of don't. It largely depends on just how much proof Witch Hunter Captain Gellor is expecting out of us. The Witch Hunters back in Ubersreik needed far less proof than this to burn down Spittlefeld, but Gellor seems like a different breed. I'd guess that we need more.
How to get more is an interesting question. I doubt that anyone is just going to simply admit that they are worshipping the Ruinous Powers if we ask nicely. Joining the cult as a method of investigation seemed like a plausible idea before, but now that we know more of Ordo Septenarius, it seems unlikely that we'd be able to get to the bottom of this quickly and we're on a self-imposed time limit.
Even if we put all our cards on the table in front of Freidrich Magirius and he came onto our side fully, I'm not sure he could really help us out. Assuming he isn't bad-evil, he probably has as little access to truly compromising material as we do. In theory we could try to track down whatever workers were used to disassemble the Chaos temple, but they are highly likely to just be following orders & not asking questions.
I could be missing something, but that likely leaves more physical approaches as our best avenue. Hopefully, something short of violence since that can get you killed pretty easily in this game. Of those most likely to be involved in bad-evil, we probably only have Teugen and Franz Steinhager...maybe his son Albrecht Steinhager.
Broad ideas:
* Lie: try to convince one of the three probable cultists that we're on their side & get them to tell us everything.
* Sneak-steal: break into someone's office and hope to find incriminating evidence.
* Throw our weight around: Gellor gave us a symbol of Sigmar & his Witch Hunter order that he said we could use to open doors for us. Something like using that authority to gather up a few city guards & push past any guards at one of the suspect offices would have a decent likelihood of success, especially if done at night when fewer people are around to stop us. Going in heavy like that had better work, though, and we'd be on a time limit as soon as we started before we started causing political ramifications.
Bringing the ooc discussion from Gameplay over here.
I think we do still have some options at the current meeting. I'm just not sure I want to take them or that Landolf would.
* tell this guy that he's playing footsie with Chaos cultists & see where that goes
* try to press him for names of the big Seven (he might be one but he never said he was)Both moves are sort of aggressive.
In-game, aside from pursuing avenues similar to the ones above, I think we'd probably retreat to the Berebeli before discussing things further.
I'm honestly not entirely certain what we should do at this point to continue the investigation. We sort of have enough information to go on, but we sort of don't. It largely depends on just how much proof Witch Hunter Captain Gellor is expecting out of us. The Witch Hunters back in Ubersreik needed far less proof than this to burn down Spittlefeld, but Gellor seems like a different breed. I'd guess that we need more.
How to get more is an interesting question. I doubt that anyone is just going to simply admit that they are worshipping the Ruinous Powers if we ask nicely. Joining the cult as a method of investigation seemed like a plausible idea before, but now that we know more of Ordo Septenarius, it seems unlikely that we'd be able to get to the bottom of this quickly and we're on a self-imposed time limit.
Even if we put all our cards on the table in front of Freidrich Magirius and he came onto our side fully, I'm not sure he could really help us out. Assuming he isn't bad-evil, he probably has as little access to truly compromising material as we do. In theory we could try to track down whatever workers were used to disassemble the Chaos temple, but they are highly likely to just be following orders & not asking questions.
I could be missing something, but that likely leaves more physical approaches as our best avenue. Hopefully, something short of violence since that can get you killed pretty easily...
First order of business is to deal with the fact that you’re in danger being out on the streets with Morrslieb’s gaze turned on the town. Ruprecht’s Sixth Sense talent is screaming at him that being under the moon tonight is a bad, bad idea.
Magirius seemingly is a good solid fellow but he will never take your word about the reality of the Ordo. However, you have giving him something to think about so you may well hear from him again.
You do have an untapped resource which are the churches in Bogenhafen. You’ve only visited one so far. Maybe the others would have helpful information.
It may be hard to see it but you all did take major steps today in foiling whatever foul plot the Chaos gods have planned for Bogenhafen.
It may be hard to see it but you all did take major steps today in foiling whatever foul plot the Chaos gods have planned for Bogenhafen.
That's good to know. It really doesn't seem like we accomplished very much (mostly because Landolf can't read - it's frustrating to know what that paper said but not in-game).
Really good RPG investigations, where the players can feel like they are making progress but don't unravel the whole thing quickly or get reduced to dice farming for the information, are rare.
Going over the list of faiths in the Core Book, it looks like the cults of Morr, Shallya & Verena would probably be our best bet to look for information. I'm not sure we should visit the temple of Sigmar until we have more evidence in hand. We could get tied up in the internal politics of the local cult that Gellor was talking about pretty quickly.
I'd love to include the cult of Ranald on the list, but I'm not sure that any of us would know how to contact them reliably.
I think the clergy of Verena could help.
Besides, we could ask them too if they have news about the con man who pretended he was a priest of the goddess. That could help Valghaz
Yes, clergy is a good option I think.
Landolf, you ok with Ruprecht hitching his short term ambition on your business endeavors?
Yeah, no complaints here Ruprecht.
Landolf broke the game, time to quit...kidding, no one panic (yet, that’s what the hoard of demons are for)
Will get a post up once I think about this abit. And Landolf, good job!
Some ideas for how to spend our time:
* we can still approach the non-Sigmarite cults in the area. We might be able to get aid from them...this nasty mist has to be alarming everyone. Since we don't know who we can trust, we probably can't tell them that we have a good lead on the location of Ordo Septenarius, only that we're working on it. If we have to pick one, the Cult of Morr has my vote for being first.
* we could also try some misdirection. If we assume we're being watched, we can make use of that by being loud. If we can convince our watchers that we don't know what we're doing and we don't present a threat to their organization, it could make our job later much easier.
With those two ideas presented, I'm having trouble coming up with more. We haven't been in the city long enough to establish trusted contacts. From what we've heard, Ordo Septenarius has infiltrated the City Watch & most other institutions in the city. We could try to pry a portion of the Watch free from their superiors given the dire state of affairs in the city, but that seems like a stretch.
Any thoughts?
I think that the #2 idea is probably our best bet. I don't see any other options which strike me as being a good idea.
Also, because it's WFRP, it's exciting to think that we have some combat coming up. If we need to take on a cult then it could get dangerous really fast.
I'm thinking...should I buy a bomb in our spare time? If there is a cult to fight, then throwing an explosive into their midst could be a great way of opening the fight. Valghaz has 47 to trade explosives. If all he has to do is get a bomb into the middle of an enemy cluster, then it might save us a fate point. Pretty sure that if he buys the supplies he could make a bomb before the upcoming battle?
In retrospect, it's trade 47 to make a bomb but BS 24 to throw it. And those aren't good odds when messing up the throw can blow us up too. :P
We are down a PC, and that kind of worries me. Should we recruit another? Now would actually be a really good time, given that we are asking the Cult of Morr for aid. It's a natural place for them to say "It's dangerous to go alone, take this (PC)."
I could see the Witch Hunters, the Cult of Morr, the local dwarven community, and our Merchant contact all as being sources right now of providing us with another sword for the cause.
We are down a PC, and that kind of worries me. Should we recruit another? Now would actually be a really good time, given that we are asking the Cult of Morr for aid. It's a natural place for them to say "It's dangerous to go alone, take this (PC)."
I could see the Witch Hunters, the Cult of Morr, the local dwarven community, and our Merchant contact all as being sources right now of providing us with another sword for the cause.
Four PC’s should be enough but you can ask any of those named above for help if you want. Keep in mind that the cult of Morr is not in the daemon fighting business, they’re more in the vampire and skeletons fighting businesss.
The dénouement in Bogenhafen is rapidly approaching so if you can post more than once a day the next couple of days it would be great. I’ll be doing my best to stay on top of your posts as they’re made.
Very exciting! Got a post up back at the Mother Load, as Valghaz would feel honor bound to help those who helped him. Didn't ask for anything specific, as it felt out of character to be seeking something when trying to help someone. But put in the charm roll for Valgahz to get across the idea that his friend should get his family out while he still can.
Also what's the name of the bartender? I'd like to keep it on Valghaz' book of allies. Not that it will probably come up again further in the campaign, but it's good flavor.
Got lazy over the weekend and then saw Aubster ask for more attention...
I'm here now.
And glad you are! As for throwing knives, I think that the money would be wasted on Valghaz. BS 24 is low enough that he'd probably end up hurting himself if he tried.
I was just going to let each person say whether they wanted a throwing knife or not, but was thinking Valghaz was a no as well.
The murder hobo in me: Grab everything that isn't nailed down! We could probably get more gold from the man's body than we've seen all campaign
The RPer in me: No, that is far too out of character. Be poor! It's what the Gods have decreed for you.
As the group has arrived at an important challenge, I will be giving everyone a chance to try their luck climbing. You can keep trying to climb if you fail the first time or two so you get 3 rolls. If you succeed in climbing you need to note if you’re going to assist the others climb the wall.
Really hope I didn’t waste that natural 1. But I thought to myself “what would Grimnir do?” And then when I realized that dead watchmen makes our problems worse I thought “how about Grungni?”
Are we skipping a step if we just go to the warehouse? Earlier, the idea was to get back to Captain Gellor. I think we're supposed to have enough time to try to reach him, though the way Bogenhafen is spiraling into Chaos makes me wonder...
Also, Landolf had been saving xp to get his third rank of the Luck talent, but this doesn't seem like a time to be hoarding. So Landolf will buy advances 3-7 in Weapon Skill & 8-10 in Fencing for 180 xp. That should bring his Melee (Fencing) skill up to 50 and take up his remaining xp.