Unfinished Business

Game Master Trup

"Thanks and good luck," Kit shrugged slightly and headed down the road towards home not even sending a single glance back towards Kit.

With everyone present, Please let me know when your character is ready to advance to the dinner scene that night.

I'm ready whenever you are--you don't even after to answer any more of my posts and jump straight to dinner. I was hoping to find a way to meet up with the rest of the party beforehand, but it seems easier to go straight to dinner.

I am ready.

same here, my character is more or less either waiting for an explanation or for the guy to leave before she turns back, if he doesn't she will attend the dinner as a cat.

Ohh and I hope there are some clothes in the room :p if I may remind you her transformation is not exactly friendly to whatever she has on her whether pocket change, cellphone or clothes, after all it rips her and everything to shreds before reassembling the form.

You may just be a cat for dinner! ^.^

LOL alright then :) that's fine.

dressed and Ready GM Trup

Gotta admit this is a party where a talking cat would be one of the more normal things showing up.

I'd like to point out that Kit can't talk while in cat form, at least not english.

Ready. On vacation as stated, so there may be gaps in posting. We'll see.

Quick question Trup -- Rosa was caught in an explosion and taken from the site alone. Will she get a chance to get her equipment later (which includes a car)?

Absolutely, you will actually find your car conveniently parked outside of the mansion, your gear will be handed to you after dinner.

Absolutely, you will actually find your car conveniently parked outside of the mansion, your gear will be handed to you after dinner.

Thanks!

Also note I changed one of her items to a defibrillator. EPs should still add up.

Ok about the image of Jack Tallow. Try hitting enter on the link in your browser for the image. That got it to work when I double checked it. Weird, thanks for bringing it up though.

the problem is most likely in that tropes blocks off use of their images to external sites so basically reload the page when you opened the image link then you will be accessing it directly rather then from paizo.com

My theory anyway

I would like to apologize in advance for the quick jump in plot and such. I won't be on hits weekend due to my computer not being fixed until the middle of next week, but after that I will be available every weekend. I just wanted to make sure that the information was up and give people a chance to begin familiarizing themselves with their new team and headquarters.

That's fine you had warned us about weekends :) have a good one Trup and sorry for being the not too active pet of the group :)

now we have a base we can play with ourselves on weekend Trup, o dear that did not come out right

star look under camptain info tab at the top to see what our facility contains

In response to Vamps post in gameplay that sates he can smell light.

Vamp dear chap,

It says in the rules on Acute ->"you can sense details about anything you can detect with a particular Sense."

Then Under - Analytical it says -> "Beyond even acute, you can perceive specific details about anything you can detect with an analyical sense such as Chemical composition, exact dimensions or mass, frequency of sound and energy wavelengths, and so forth. You can ONLY apply this effect to an acute sense. Normal senses are not Analytical.

In other words a fixed normal sense expands its ability of Analyzing with the range of what it can detect. With the olfactory sense its what ever chemical compounds you get to your olfactory receptors. This is what I think you missed, Your olfactory sense dos not gain the abiulty to Sign and hearing, it just gets more from the chemical compounds it picks up. I can see why you would like it to however. If like me you had taken Darkvision+Infavsion+Radio+Ultravision just to get the full range of Normal electromagnet wavelengths sense detection (Sight) you would have to then add Acute and Analytical to each of them in turn (cost 24pp )to see just what electromagnet wavelength you where looking at that Analyzing level, even before the other adds like counters concealment etc. As you have done, how much simpler to just say well my smell is now also hearing and sight, for the cost of 2pp/3pp.

I think both adds (acute and Analytical ) to general senses where written in simple way so that a player and GM can use it to add to the range of senses under the power set. BUT it is also written to make clear one builds up knowledge gained from a fixed sense not "Expands" that sense into other senses.

You can no more sniff my PC being made of light than you can sniff Radio America (radio waves) or that Vivaldi is playing (sound waves).

What I think I will do is ignore that sniffing light-waves port of you last post, sorry I do not mean to be rude but Ill wait on a GMs ruling on this. But the above is my case for why your pc can not sniff out my pc being made of light waves in part.

My PC was built to be complex and above all beyond this world Alien, having your PC walk up go her and go "Sniff" O yea you made of anit-matter, Light and Dark energy XYZ kind of nurf's my pc's whole back story from the get go.

I hope you understand why I am none to happy about that.

Star Light

Star Light, may I point out the following. I have the relevant text in bold.

Beyond even acute, you can perceive specific details about anything you can detect with an analytical sense, such as chemical composition, exact dimensions or mass, frequency of sounds and energy wavelengths, and so forth. You can only apply this effect to an acute sense. normal senses are not analytical. Cost is 1 rank for one sense, 2 for an entire sense type.

Therefore, he CAN smell energy wavelengths.

He only knows about you being energy in general. Not that he is able to determine everything about you.

This is how I understand that power and also based on what he said in the gameplay thread.

you can sense fine details about anything you can detect with a particular Sense.

This means that acute gives greater then normal details about things you can already sense with a particular sense,it does not allow you to sense things you couldn't before.

Beyond even acute, you can perceive particular details about anything you can detect with an analytical sense, ...

Again this is merely more information about hat you can detect, not all senses can detect all things, with a visual sense you can detect the componds in the smell of ice cream, you can however analyse the ice cream to see what is in it.

This means that technically vamps senses can't detect light directly (it has no scent and all his are olfactory senses), however that is pretty much arguing about minor details with a sense like this:

Accurate 2 (Smell), Acute 1 (Smell), Analytical 1 (Smell), Counters Concealment 5 (Smell), Extended 2 (Smell), Penetrates Concealment 4 (Smell), Tracking 2 (Smell)

If he wants to smell light with that, that is hardly a matter, I could ask you how you became 30 feet tall without growth as well, but that is hardly the point of things is it. Let's just let Trup rule on things such as this, you have a doubt then leave that objection to him to rule on.

@Grand Moff Vixen, please read my post again I think you will find I countered that one as both me and now Zouron have pointed out.

the key here is before the highlighted text both yourself and Vamp spotted the line. "perceive particular details about anything you can detect with an analytical sense"

Or in other words

"How do you tell a blind man who has never seen what the color red looks like"

The 5 senses of hearing, sight, touch, smell and taste have limits, if not one would be "Licking Red" "hearing smells" "tasting sound" with a simple add nurfing any one spending on the senses as is. Super sensitivity in a sense yes, but taking over other senses no. so I feel you and Vamp on wrong to read just that part on the add description out of context. As a debate on super Sniffing I have to say this is good and as we both said now best left in the hands of the all powerful GM :)

With the 30' area affects that's not growth, as shape area and course damage, means she looks bigger but its just the power your seeing from the out side, she still can-not have her mouth say 30' away (not thats she has one in alien form), or touch things that far away, its a area affect power spastic to that affect, is why you still have to touch her when she users "affects others" add to her powers in light craft from
Hope that helps.

@Grand Moff Vixen, please read my post again I think you will find I countered that one as both me and now Zouron have pointed out.

the key here is before the highlighted text both yourself and Vamp spotted the line. "perceive particular details about anything you can detect with an analytical sense"

Or in other words

"How do you tell a blind man who has never seen what the color red looks like"

The 5 senses of hearing, sight, touch, smell and taste have limits, if not one would be "Licking Red" "hearing smells" "tasting sound" with a simple ass and nurfing any one spending on the senses as is. Super sensitivity in a sense yes, but taking over other senses no. so I feel you and Vamp on wrong to read just that part on the add description out of context. As a debate on super Sniffing I have to say this is good and as we both said now best left in the hands of the all powerful GM :)

With the 30' area affects that's not growth, as shape area and course damage, means she looks bigger but its just the power your seeing from the out side, she still can-not have her mouth say 30' away (not thats she has one in alien form), or touch things that far away, its a area affect power spastic to that affect, is why you still have to touch her when she users "affects others" add to her powers in light craft from
Hope that helps.

Not really.

Let's just wait for input from Trup.

Not really in your view of course Muff, we have two differing views here old bean, that's why 1st I then Zouron and now you have asked for a GM ruling. Its the way of things.

I wasn't trying to start an argument, but I'd say that you could smell light. Perhaps not directly, though that would also be debatable I think (what is a chemical if not a bunch of atoms, which are just energy vibrating at various speeds).

But regardless you could smell its effects. We're inside an atmosphere. If there is light it will instantly change the chemical properties of everything around it, meaning it could be smelled the same way an invisible man standing in a waterfall can be seen. However, I am happy to go with whatever Trup rules on this.

I was trying to make a connection in character, not expose all your secrety secrets. Sorry if I offended.

Edit:I do also have ultra-hearing. I'm sure Star Light would be emitting some sort of frequency if she's made of energy.

But regardless you could smell its effects. We're inside an atmosphere. If there is light it will instantly change the chemical properties of everything around it, meaning it could be smelled the same way an invisible man standing in a waterfall can be seen. However, I am happy to go with whatever Trup rules on this.

Which was what I pointed out in the game thread as well, in directly you could probably smell the changes and possibly identify them. ANYWAY let's just let trup rule on it and have it out of the way so we all can move on. :)

I know you to well B to know you wasn't trying to start an argument here, just one of them, PC to PC things that happen when the rules can be read more than one way. I think my key point here is what is your PC after (eg you), OOC do you really think from a sniff your going to get every thing about a multidimensional alien being made of light. I agree with you that you can pesverse indirect indicators of some form or other of her Energy type. But direct observation of the exact light wavelengths and energy form nope, like I said your PC would have more luck licking Vivaldi as sound, you have ears for that. Your moment is fine in game if its taken as that. "made of some form of light" she will still not answer as she do not trust you. As for sound you just trying to get the same result from another inappropriate sense. If your hoping your PC will know what she is you would have to have meet a starseed before to know how the interact with any environmental elements. Also if your skipping willynilly over the investigation skill. Observation direct or not is one thing knowing what your getting takes more, when you have never come across any thing like it before. Here's my point I made a PC that's Alien to earth in part, you can get the human part I have no problem with that at all, but unless you have what kind of alien you can only get beyond that, "she made of light or some thing" that's my feelings on this.

well we all seem to agree its over to the GM now.

Good morning everyone! I'm in a pretty amazing mood since my computer will be fixed this week. Ok in the case of Vamp vs Star, this court see's fit to rule in Vamp's favor.

Starlight is made of light energy. Vamp is able to smell energy wavelengths. Now Vamp may not be able to recognize some of the smells from your Alien ship forms(Maybe he has never encountered alien metal??) But he would still be bale to smell it at it's most basic chemical levels. Ok then.

What is Rosa doing for the week? I may have missed it but I did not see anything..

What is Rosa doing for the week? I may have missed it but I did not see anything..

She's helping with research in the library. 'Course, she doesn't have Investigation trained either, so I don't know if she can, but that was the plan. She could also Aid Another in research if that's possible.

She's also at some point training with Kit Reynard and examining the infirmary but I wasn't planning on making rolls related to those, it's just she's not obviously going to spend 24/7 in the library.

Rosa, sorry I dragged you into the library follies. I didn't look through everyone's profile searching for characters with the investigation skill, but went with the in character concept of trying to find someone familiar with libraries.

Rosa, sorry I dragged you into the library follies. I didn't look through everyone's profile searching for characters with the investigation skill, but went with the in character concept of trying to find someone familiar with libraries.

No worries. This is an issue with edition change, I think, and I knew I was going into this half-blind. From d20 Modern and M&M 2nd Edition, I thought Investigate was a criminology skill. I didn't associate it with research and didn't bother training it as a result.

We can assume we had a go and didn't find much of use.

Turp thinks for the ruling, I think thats what we came around to agreeing on, Vamp can get some idea of what she is made from but has he has no experience of some of her elements (shes made of Dark energy to be precise and know one on earth has uncounted that before) so vamp saying in game "are you made of light or something" is fine with me as thats what he would say,

I have also been thinking how Star_Light works and I think it would be like this, She is on two places at once, Her human side is in this (Game-Super Earth Dimension) Wile her Alien part is in another (N-Space)
This I think works a lot better for game play, As she moves form and using her powers she is in fact shifting parts of herself from D1 to D2 and back, Swapping places so that the Alien is here and she is in N-space and vises verser. when shes TPing she moves both parts to N-Space and so on. This means when Vamp meet here she had just TPed 'Shifted' next to him, So he could give her a good sniff but she can both shift her energy wavelengths and is place herself partly in other Dimensions, so I think as a defensive thing she would be oscillating randomly just dark energy wavelengths, so he and any one like him can never know her extract makeup, so she can only be known in part EG the Alien part is till unknown, if its known then she is no longer Alien and it can of nurfs her Descriptors from Alien + Energy to Energy + Energy if you see what I mean.

O a side note your post was a bit unclear sorry about this,
you say

"Vamp is able to smell energy wavelengths"

is that "Directly or Indirectly" I know it may seem irreverent but if its Directly I will be on my next level getting the same 1pp adds as Vamp because adding them to Star Light means she could then see sounds and chemicals for very great distances, its a cool thing to have.

Yeah, that's exactly what analytical does. Take it, it's sweet.

I suggest we go with a three pronged attack when retrieving the data. Marcus, Rosa and Siege Breaker all attack the front door as a distraction. Lily, Kit and I teleport inside (I can teleport 400 lbs. with me, should be enough for Kit unless she's really heavy for some reason) then Lily and I can port around the place wreaking havoc as the second layer of distraction. Meanwhile Kit will do her B&E thing and go get the data. Once she has it, I port her out and we all get outta there.

Lily can you link us telepathically? Or do we have a different way to keep in communication? Marcus, you can monitor the guard's radios right?

Yeah, that's exactly what analytical does. Take it, it's sweet.

I suggest we go with a three pronged attack when retrieving the data. Marcus, Rosa and Siege Breaker all attack the front door as a distraction.

Marcus, you can monitor the guard's radios right?

That I can do. And yes, I can monitor the radios and other means of communication.

Not really happy Vamp with being asked that here, its some thing I feel that could be asked in game play PC to PC not player to player, just smacks of Meta-gaming in my book sorry, you can only really ask about a power once you have seen a PC use it in game play etc. So you Qs to Marcus and me come in my book under things your PC do's not know in game play yet.

If we were sitting around a physical wooden table we wouldn't plan our assault out of character before taking on an enemy fortress? Yeah right.

That's why this thread is called discussion. If Lily can do that, and doesn't want to bring it up in character for some reason fine, just say so. If not, not. We can always come up with some hand radios instead I'm sure.

In-character the only communication any of us have had with Lily has been telepathic. How is it metagaming in any way to ask you out of character how far her telepathy goes?

Not seeking and argument here Vamo, just saying I would feel better as a player if you got your PC to ask that question in game is all.

Not seeking and argument here Vamo, just saying I would feel better as a player if you got your PC to ask that question in game is all.

Regardless of what your intentions are you are definitely coming across as argumentative. What difference does it make if he asks in character or out?

None, to be honest. None at all. There is no legitimate reason to be upset. Please, just play and have fun.

Whoooaaaaa there. I have no problem if people want to discuss strategy out of character here. I would mind if people were passing important information that their character only knows to people here when there is no way he would be able to inform them. Just FYI.

Metagaming

Just to be clear

In role-playing games, a player is metagaming when they use knowledge that is not available to their character in order to change the way they play their character (usually to give them an advantage within the game), such as knowledge of the mathematical nature of character statistics, or the statistics of a creature that the player is familiar with but the character has never encountered. In general, it refers to any gaps between player knowledge and character knowledge which the player acts upon.

Vamp (player) here
"Marcus, you can monitor the guard's radios right?"
Vamp The PC has no idea Marcus the PC has the monitor radio power.

Marcus (player)
"That I can do. And yes, I can monitor the radios and other means of communication."
Morcus the PC has not told Vamp the PC he can monitor the radios.

What will they do, well they will say "why this week Morcus told/showed me hes radio power, and this as this has not yet been done in game so, or past as fast as they can in the game thread some thing like "can any one monitoring theirs means of communication? (like radio Marcus hint hint)"

They (meta-gamers) use knowledge that is not available to their character in order to change the way they play their character.

I am not being argumentative, the above is FACT. You own posts show that you have both Meta-gamed and then you said I should Meta-game here with you and TOLD me I should have fun doing it. No sorry no fun for me doing that.

You can play as you like but me sorry I do not play RPGs like that, So saying I am dropping out GM.

If you would be so kind GM as to remove me from the Game thread, I will be on my way.

To put a argument to the above, though I doubt she/he will read it. This is a play by post. we can never ever EVER cover as much as we could if we were all sitting next to eachother playing this game. As such I am ok with a few things getting slipped by now and again as long as both the players agree to it. After all, it has been at least 2 days, there is no reason why those two could not have discussed their powers with eachother before hand(a scene that would have taken a few moments in a real game but would eat up unecessary time in a PbP game while the whole game waits for the individual conversations to finish).
You will be removed shortly.

That was a baseless accusation. Neither Vamp nor I have meta-gamed. I take that very seriously. If I meta-game, please let me know Trup and I will rectify this immediately.

Meta-gaming refers to in character actions, this is an out of character discussion thread. 'Nuff said.

geez Louise we barely finished the debacle concerning the smelly light and now we are into a new one, come on can't we get along for even a day?

I am okay with assuming we have discussed each other's powers during downtime.

One thing I would like clarification on is if Siege Breaker has revealed she is human and a shapeshifter.

I'm sorry there's been tension in the group already. It's easy for communication to go awry in a PBP format, so I hope we can do our best not to take such snafus personally going forward.

No Siege has not revealed anything so far, so assume she is a very strange cat for now. I will probably have her reveal it soon, but there has been no dramatic moment yet with a good option to reveal it.

Meta-gaming refers to in character actions, this is an out of character discussion thread. 'Nuff said.

I even backed you up on that too. Just goes to show that some people are never pleased.