
DreamAtelier |
@DM How are you wanting to handle a wizard's spell book and spells available?
I'm not sure what you mean. Your spellbook and spells known are created as normal for your class. You may upgrade to a blessed book for just the cost of the blessed book (I won't make you pay to re-scribe all your spells for that particular purpose, since you should have picked it up by third level and the cost of re-scribing the spells you would have had at that point would be negligible).
So, for every level between 2 and 20, you get the standard two free spells into your spell book, of an appropriate level. For first level, you get the standard three + intelligence modifier (use your final modifier since ability bonuses are retroactive).
For each level beyond 20, see the above rules on magic beyond 20th level.

Grand Moff Vixen |

DM Fnord wrote:@DM How are you wanting to handle a wizard's spell book and spells available?I'm not sure what you mean. Your spellbook and spells known are created as normal for your class. You may upgrade to a blessed book for just the cost of the blessed book (I won't make you pay to re-scribe all your spells for that particular purpose, since you should have picked it up by third level and the cost of re-scribing the spells you would have had at that point would be negligible).
So, for every level between 2 and 20, you get the standard two free spells into your spell book, of an appropriate level. For first level, you get the standard three + intelligence modifier (use your final modifier since ability bonuses are retroactive).
For each level beyond 20, see the above rules on magic beyond 20th level.
I think he might be referring to getting additional spells beyond what he already knows. Like buying them or having found them in the course of his adventuring. We are playing epic characters so it would make sense he might have access to a few more then a lower level character.
Seems that is what he meant to me. I could be wrong though. Is that what you meant Fnord?
And many thanks to all those who got more info for me on the druid stuff. Very much appreciated.

DM Fnord |
It is what I meant.
At this level I have 2 lvl 9 spells, and 4 of every other level but 1st.
I am willing to craft any wondrous items for anyone else.
And if anyone else has some extra cash to contribute towards purchasing scrolls to expand my spell list...
Especially if anything they want crafted needs specific spells...

DreamAtelier |
Ah! spells can be purchased and scribed into your main spell book at the cost of a scroll (I've never been a huge fan of making you pay to scribe them the first time they're found).
If you're making multiple spell books, then you have to pay the scribing cost as normal (unless, of course, they're all in blessed books, which can be scribed as normal).
Note that you are responsible for securing your own spell book... I do not assume any protections beyond what you tell me, and it is not any safer than a fighter's sword when it comes to being targeted by your enemies. If you're looking for good suggestions on how to accomplish that, I recommend this thread. You don't have to be as paranoid as some of the folks in that thread (me), but reasonable precautions are expected.

Mr. Swagger |

Ah! spells can be purchased and scribed into your main spell book at the cost of a scroll (I've never been a huge fan of making you pay to scribe them the first time they're found).
If you're making multiple spell books, then you have to pay the scribing cost as normal (unless, of course, they're all in blessed books, which can be scribed as normal).
Note that you are responsible for securing your own spell book... I do not assume any protections beyond what you tell me, and it is not any safer than a fighter's sword when it comes to being targeted by your enemies. If you're looking for good suggestions on how to accomplish that, I recommend this thread. You don't have to be as paranoid as some of the folks in that thread (me), but reasonable precautions are expected.
I recommend a backup. At this level you can probably afford 2 backups, but hopefully you won't need two. I will also recommend additional spell component pouches and holy symbols for those that use them.
I suggest mindblank so the bad guys can't use divination spells to know where you keep your spellbook at. They won't know that you keep it in handy haversack number #3 as an example.

Mr. Swagger |

It is just background stuff, Validk.
I final got my stats configured and feat chosen.
Next up is spells, and to finish my equipment.
Hopefully the magic items can be finished tomorrow. I expect to be done by Thursday since spells and magic items take up the most time when I create characters.

Grand Moff Vixen |

I have a question DreamAtelier. If I can find a good prestige class from the Paths of Prestige, may I use it? I can send a PM with any info you would need on it. I just like the option of playing something that fits better then horizon walker and I didn't want 5 levels of another base class. I plan on buying it by tomorrow morning when I am paid (love weekly paychecks).

Mr. Swagger |

If that is allowed I want the bow that automatically matches itself to the wielder's strength score. I do have the stats for it, but they are not in the PRD yet.
Progress report:
I have all of my feats chosen, and my magic item, but I will do a recheck of the magic items to make sure I have everything I need.
I have spells left, and due to how some of the bard abilities stack with the lilliend I will have to do some things manually, but I am almost done.

Skulda |

If I would take the Titan Mauler archetype would the enlarge person effect from Titanic Rage work on Kiku?
I hope so, then when I take Storm Giant form we'll both be huge sized badasses. With our 15 foot reaches we shall own the battlefield.
Or maybe I'm just being optimistic again. I hope we get to feel like super epic heroes at least at the beginning though. I know you could whip up enemies that will challenges us, but can we have at least one fight where we just destroy a bunch of CR 18 enemies or something DM? Please ^_^?
Wait, am I the only one with ability to raise people from the dead? I'm not familiar enough with the druid list to know if they get those spells.

Mr. Swagger |

Druids only get reincarnation, IIRC. Those of us who are outsiders may be out of luck. Maybe I should buy a true resurrection scoll since that is the only spell that raises outsiders. I will need to save money to pay for it though. It is 25000 gp. Do any of you have UMD? I have it, but if I am dead.....

DreamAtelier |
Skulda and Validk both choose to apply the half-celestial template. Because they have more than 20 hit dice, they both gain Resurrection once per day as a spell-like ability... which also means it doesn't have a material component for either of them.
However, that still leaves outsiders in a bit of a pickle, because resurrection isn't able to hit outsiders (true resurrection is what you need). Also taking the template makes them both outsiders, so they can't hit each other with it (this doesn't matter to Skulda, who already was one, but it does impact Validk, who wasn't).
So, a true resurrection scroll (or something that could achieve a similar effect) would not be a bad idea.

Grand Moff Vixen |

Skulda and Validk both choose to apply the half-celestial template. Because they have more than 20 hit dice, they both gain Resurrection once per day as a spell-like ability... which also means it doesn't have a material component for either of them.
However, that still leaves outsiders in a bit of a pickle, because resurrection isn't able to hit outsiders (true resurrection is what you need). Also taking the template makes them both outsiders, so they can't hit each other with it (this doesn't matter to Skulda, who already was one, but it does impact Validk, who wasn't).
So, a true resurrection scroll (or something that could achieve a similar effect) would not be a bad idea.
Already planned for scrolls. I want more than one person who can do this.

Grand Moff Vixen |

It's my fault, I didn't realize there was a difference. I didn't look it up. I'm not gonna lie, the highest level game I've played in before this was like level 15, and that didn't last very long. So I'm not as conversant with all the high level spells as I am the lower ones.
Don't be too hard on yourself. I have only played a game to 15 before. I just looked at the scrolls I could have made and then bought a bunch and any any other cleric spells I may need that I cannot cast myself too.
Full casters (those classes possessing 9 levels worth of spell slots already) receive 9 levels worth of spell slots at each level, distributed as they choose. Once made, these choices can not be changed.
So I get 1 spell slot for the highest level I can cast?
Example: I have readjusted the levels of my druid to druid 15/green faith acolyte 10. When I hit level 21 with the acolyte I would get one additional 9th level spell slot? And again for the next 4 levels?

Sigz |

If I would take the Titan Mauler archetype would the enlarge person effect from Titanic Rage work on Kiku?
*Bump*
Also, I'm thinking of going down the superstitious rage power line (Witch hunter, Spell Breaker etc..) what do you guys think of that? It would mean I'd have to make a save to resist any spells you cast on me too.

Validk Ghujod |

existing armor can be enhanced, since celestial armor is a +3, you would pay the difference between it and and +4, +5 etc.
While there may not be any RAW against holy/unholy it has been my opinion that it's generally not RP.
What good character is going to enchant a weapon that is already enchanted to kill good people?

DreamAtelier |
DreamAtelier wrote:Full casters (those classes possessing 9 levels worth of spell slots already) receive 9 levels worth of spell slots at each level, distributed as they choose. Once made, these choices can not be changed.So I get 1 spell slot for the highest level I can cast?
Example: I have readjusted the levels of my druid to druid 15/green faith acolyte 10. When I hit level 21 with the acolyte I would get one additional 9th level spell slot? And again for the next 4 levels?
Right. But you don't have to take just a 9th level spell slot. You could instead take a 5th level and a 4th level slot, or a first, second and two third slots, or any other combination that would total up to 9 levels worth of spell slots.
Kikubwa Mfalme wrote:If I would take the Titan Mauler archetype would the enlarge person effect from Titanic Rage work on Kiku?*Bump*
Also, I'm thinking of going down the superstitious rage power line (Witch hunter, Spell Breaker etc..) what do you guys think of that? It would mean I'd have to make a save to resist any spells you cast on me too.
I had to do some research and think about things a bit to come to an answer on the titan mauler question. The short of it is that I'm going to say Yes, class/archetype abilities like that allow you to affect whatever type of creature you are. It just doesn't make sense to do it any other way to me. Additionally, an awakened ape is sufficiently close to humanoid physiologically that I don't have an issue extending the spell to cover it.
As far as the superstitious line of powers, I don't have a problem with it... after all, you only have to make the saves while you're raging, and for this level, I suspect most buffs and similar such spells that you'd be targeted by will have been cast before combat actually starts.

DreamAtelier |
Can an existing armor set be enhanced? I'm thinking of the Celestial Armor, wondering if it could be imbued with additional enchantments to up it's AC as it's the only armor I can find that let's Kiku utilize his full dexterity (unless I buy a tome to up it , hmmm...?)
Yes, it can be. However, you pay the price between it's current modifier and what you're moving it to. So, for celestial armor, you'd add on the price difference between +3 and +4 when you pushed it up to +4, and then between +4 and +5 when you moved it up to +5, etc.
Can weapons have both the holy and unholy properties? I can't find anything RAW that forbids it but I wanted to ask before buying it.
There's no reason you couldn't have such a weapon made, by RAW (indeed, I would swear I remember seeing one in an adventure, but that may have been 3.5 material). And there's no reason you couldn't wield one, as a member of the custodians. Obviously it does have some drawbacks, mechanically (no real chance of the two abilities ever stacking, like Axiomatic and Holy might), and you could end up with some issues socially as well ("It's just as much a threat to your enemies as to you!" is a perfectly valid argument, when these things are considered at a distance by entities of power. But the counter argument is "It isn't in my enemies' presence, and it is in my own presence, so it is more of a threat to me now.")
So, I don't have any issues with it, but NPCs in game may.

Sigz |

Quote:Can weapons have both the holy and unholy properties? I can't find anything RAW that forbids it but I wanted to ask before buying it.There's no reason you couldn't have such a weapon made, by RAW (indeed, I would swear I remember seeing one in an adventure, but that may have been 3.5 material). And there's no reason you couldn't wield one, as a member of the custodians. Obviously it does have some drawbacks, mechanically (no real chance of the two abilities ever stacking, like Axiomatic and Holy might), and you could end up with some issues socially as well ("It's just as much a threat to your enemies as to you!" is a perfectly valid argument, when these things are considered at a distance by entities of power. But the counter argument is "It isn't in my enemies' presence, and it is in my own presence, so it is more of a threat to me now.")
So, I don't have any issues with it, but NPCs in game may.
From the neutral perspective both good and evil can be wrong in their extremes. As a true neutral guardian of cosmic balance I'd see the weapon as a clear message to both parties; Neither will be allowed to upset the balance, no matter their cause or reasons.

DreamAtelier |
Grand Moff Vixen wrote:Sorry to bump this again. I am still curious.Mr. Swagger wrote:Are we rolling hp or just taking half? If we are taking half will we round up or down? As an example the average of 1d8 is 4.5 so would we use a 4 or a 5?Bump.
Ack! I can't believe I missed this. I think taking half the value of the die is how we'll do it. So, a d8 is worth 4, while a d6 is 3 and a d10 is 5, etc. First hit die (must be racial if you have them) is maxed out, of course.