how long has it been since I went into a cocoon to try and restrain the demon within?
About a day I think. Things slowed down a lot and we haven't gotten that far really....
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Lyn, maybe we could start a google docs we could all have access to? Then we can add stuff in that is relevant/important to our PCs, and even add notes to others', if it appears somebody forgot or missed something important.
It's not a bad idea. The general flow of things has gotten pretty unwieldy, and I often mix up the order of events. Ironically I tend to remember things in the order they happen for Ephebe, so it's totally out of order for everyone else. >.<
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how long has it been since I went into a cocoon to try and restrain the demon within?About a day I think. Things slowed down a lot and we haven't gotten that far really....
There are a few days still until the cocoon opens. So like .. probably three or four more years....
;)
how long has it been since I went into a cocoon to try and restrain the demon within?About a day I think. Things slowed down a lot and we haven't gotten that far really....There are a few days still until the cocoon opens. So like .. probably three or four more years....
;)
Hmmm... pretty sure we can spend more than a year on a single day, even when we are moving quickly.
;D
Joke's on you DB3, I like that song! (Although he looks weirdly like my older brother).
Lyn, maybe we could start a google docs we could all have access to? Then we can add stuff in that is relevant/important to our PCs, and even add notes to others', if it appears somebody forgot or missed something important.It's not a bad idea. The general flow of things has gotten pretty unwieldy, and I often mix up the order of events. Ironically I tend to remember things in the order they happen for Ephebe, so it's totally out of order for everyone else. >.<
Add this to the list of Time Traveller problems, right behind the grammar of time travelling. At least we have Dr. Streetmentioner's book for that one.
I am finally getting caught up in what I have missed. :) Still gonna take it slow coming back in..
EDIT:
I also forgot how many stories Phaeze was tangled up in... ;)
There are a few days still until the cocoon opens. So like .. probably three or four more years....
;)
[Bows sadly]
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Okay this is weird.
I just started up a game of Stellaris, and one of the "Barren" worlds in my home system is... well...
Lyn, maybe we could start a google docs we could all have access to? Then we can add stuff in that is relevant/important to our PCs, and even add notes to others', if it appears somebody forgot or missed something important.It's not a bad idea. The general flow of things has gotten pretty unwieldy, and I often mix up the order of events. Ironically I tend to remember things in the order they happen for Ephebe, so it's totally out of order for everyone else. >.<
What kinda format would such a document take? Like a cliff notes version of the story and characters? I could start it in my spare time and share it to the group so we can start working on it?
We should decide what belongs in the doc beforehand though.
Aye FCD, that's probably the easiest. Bullet point style entries of important info for each character.
Ex, with Ace:
*First semester.
*Dates Ginni
*Helped her with her demonic curse of eating souls
*Friends with Jaiye, Ehos, Tyrinn, Vai, Phaez, et el.
*Solved the mystery of the murderer, thanks to Ginni's help.
*Confronted and killed Repp, along with Michael.
*Surprised Kitty with a restocked and rebuilt animal shelter.
*Currently attending the Equinox Festival, which was attacked, and resulted in Ehos and Ty being kidnapped. Along with Fei, Jai and Ghalen is attacking the kidnappers, and trying to rescue Ehos.
Obviously there's a lot more, but these are *most* of the main points.
And, of course, people can feel free to have much longer entries. I just used these quick points as an example of what I was suggesting.
I feel like the overarching timeline is more important for Lyn than the character ones.
I don't really know how to do that, just saying that's the big bit.
Both? Both is good.
Like, that's the entire point of my suggestion.
This game is over 7+ years, with almost 80,000 posts, and 50+ characters.
It's hard for me to remember everything Ace has done, let alone all of my other PCs(well, Silinrul really).
Now, imagine trying to remember all the stuff 50+ characters have done over 7+ years and 80k posts.
Because that's Lyn's 'job' as GM.
With a Google doc, we can easily set it up where we have one master list of all the important storyarcs, and then create our mini ones for our PCs, just to help get in all in once place.
Remember, just because *we* don't realize something seemingly minor matters, doesn't mean Lyn does. That little conversation, or run-in, or whatever that meant nothing to us at the time, could actually be one of the more important plot points in Lyn's over-arcing story.
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I think both is a good idea, but from an organizational perspective if we include characters the doc will quickly get gargantuan and unwieldy. However, I think we can have our cake and eat it too :P
I suggest two docs. A character directory and a plot arc guide.
The character directory is a refernce similar to what MG posted for Ace. Should be a quick "who this is and why they matter" type guide. I actually think this is more important for minor/side characters than main characters but can see uses for both.
Meanwhile, I can see a few ways we could organize the plot arc guide. We could write a true timeline of important events in chronological order. This idea seems unwiedly to me. Even if we summed uo every page of play in 1 sentence we would have dozens of pages.
My suggestion is to sort it by Main Arcs & Sub Arcs. So for example, the Champion Arc is a Main Arc. It contains Chan sub Arc, Darth Vai sub Arc. The Imperial Arc mostly includes events /w Hunters, the Avatar arc, and such. Start with "what are the primary arcs?" And then work downwards in granularity.
And some arcs don't fit inside others, and some plot points are part of multiple arcs (Darth Vai talking with the new Champion of Hope fits into both Champion and Imperial). The Serial Killer arc, for example fits in nothing else, and was a stand-alone.
Am I making sense? Could even be a section for character arcs or group arcs. Like the Sunwake arc couls include many of the member's individual arcs.
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I am the Dalesman, and I approve the direction where these arc ideas are heading.
(^-^)
I am the Dalesman, and I approve the direction where these arc ideas are heading.
(^-^)
...But who cares?
WAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
Yeah, I definitely meant two docs, one of the main plots, and one for PC stuff. Sorry if that wasn't clear in my above post.
Most of what you said makes sense, and is pretty much what I was suggesting.
I do think that if somebody with a 'main' character wanted to make a decent bio page that it would be a good idea. After all, they are the ones most involved with the major plot arcs, so it could help not only Lyn, but other storytellers, and fellow players keep track of what they've done to better craft new stories and interactions.
I guess the big question is, what constitutes a 'main character' vs a side/minor one?
The easiest qualifier would be the PC you've played the most. So, Ace for me.
However, Silinrul has also gotten a fair amount of screen time, and Serrin is a new champion. Though, I would probably say despite her being a champion, Serrin should be classified as minor/side character.
I am the Dalesman, and I approve the direction where these arc ideas are heading.
(^-^)
...But who cares?
WAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!
I do, ya jerkbutt!! :P
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Okay, first off, you guys are the best and I love this idea!
Second, yes, I agree that it needs to be two documents. Having a character directory is helpful, and can save a lot of time when you need to refresh on a particular character. But is the opposite of useful when you want to reference a plot point. But how to summarize the plot is a whole thing. The problem with arcs is that they often happen simultaneously and one event can belong in multiple arcs. And you might not recognize an arc is happening as you see it unfold. (I know of at least one that’s been simmering in the background without anyone catching on, and I didn’t think I was being subtle...) A straight up timeline would honestly be more useful. Or it could be both I guess. Do a timeline and then also separate out into events that effect a particular arc once you’ve identified it for ease of reference. Also, I would separate out years one and two into separate documents for a timeline. Because it gets too enormous otherwise.
What we really need is a freaking wiki, lol. :P
Anyhow, that’s my two cents and I think however it ends up happening it’s a great idea. And one that saves a lot of me having to go back and research.
Now back to trying to take care of sick kiddo while sick... I have to email all his teachers like hey, what makeup work was there from this week and by the way he’s been too sick to do any of last week’s makeup work and I’ve been too sick to bother with gathering assignments. But every time I open email it’s like wut r werds >.<
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We could absolutely create a wiki Lyn! If any game on Paizo deserves one, it would be Avalon.
Uh, I have no idea how to make one, but hopefully somebody in the group does, lol
Also, it sounds like you need an assistant, and to join the ranks of the undead!(if only being a vampire irl was a real thing, lol)
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The wiki us actually a really good idea. I think there are a few ad-supported free wiki-type places out there. I will do some investigation tonight. Any other alternative would involve web-hosting of some sort. Spooky.
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It lives. I am completely unfamiliar with this platform, but I believe you need an account in order to edit these pages. What I am saying is - I need some help getting the user functionality sorted before we try to make it properly.
Okay yup, I turned off anonymous edits so we shouldn't have to worry about vandalism, can someone make an account?
I am thinking we should organize articles something like this:
Timelines - Maybe dvided by smaller "eras"? Like Pre-Sky-flip, Pre-Firebird exodus... something like this? Just so we don't have a gigantonourmous central page.
Events - Describing an individual part of the timeline thay can be referenced easily.
Locations - Places other than Agartha
Alternate Timelines - Whatever details are known about specific alternate timelines - Darth Vai timeline, Ephebe timeline, etc
Characters - Categorized in Major, Minor, and Background?
Organizations - Could include the Empire, Avalon, Mentor, the Akuma family, the various bending tribez, and so on.
The Forces - Gods, Patrons...
I've made an account, Monkeygod1430
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I've made an account, Monkeygod1430
I gave you all but the top level rights.
Okay, I've got an account on there finally...
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.......Now who the hell do I have words with regarding this "Amethyst dragons and associates" schtako?
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.......Now who the hell do I have words with regarding this "Amethyst dragons and associates" schtako?
You are lucky I didn't write slaves. :D
You should be able to edit now. In theory. I am a little bit flailing-in-the-dark, learning-by-setting-my-pants-on-fire right now so forgive a few hiccups ;)
I think the best way to start this is just to create as many stubs as we can honestly - short little blurbs and build as we go... now I just have to figure out how to re-direct for certain names (like Aananda Sunwake, Aananda, and Aanandarevekki should all direct to the same page...)
Edit: Ahaha - that was easy, just create a blank page with the name to redirect with #redirect [[Redirect Target here]]
I made an account, but I haven't really had the bandwidth to figure out how the site works. It's LynoraPefhlawae because of course. That's always my handle. Easy to remember, hard to spell. :)
MisterLurch exists on the wiki :)
I don't know how, but I am able to add stuff already. So Phaezeriel has a page in the Characters category. I will work on others as I have time. :)
Yeah, anybody with an account can edit or add pages. Restricting it to registered accounts just makes it easier to ban people from editing if need be (rollbacks in wiki are fairly easy).
Could use some editorial insight as I continue to expand the wiki - should the Patrons be named as (for example): "Patron of Light", or "Light", or simply "Lumos". All those names can be setup as re-directs, but in other articles what would the preference be?
To give a concrete example - should Vai be listed as Champion of the Patron of Light, Champion of Light, or Champion of Lumos?
Personally, I think it should be the proper name for those we know of.
After all, if you're reading a wiki about Greek myth, it would be Athena, not the 'goddess of wisdom'.
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Personally, I think it should be the proper name for those we know of.
After all, if you're reading a wiki about Greek myth, it would be Athena, not the 'goddess of wisdom'.
I'm inclined to agree with you but my only problem is that some of the patrons have unknown or no names (Death , for example, is never called anything but Death xD)
EDIT: Okay well I think I assembled something that should work: https://tales-of-agartha.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_Patrons
Right, so for them, use their 'descriptor' name, ie, Light, Darkness, Fear, etc.
Eg, if you're talking about Light in the Vai entry, you would use Lumos, which would be hyper-linked to an entry bearing the same name. Within, you would have all the info about Lumos, including being the Patron of Light(duh).
Likewise, Death would only be refereed to as Death, because that's all we known him as. Perhaps he has a true name, maybe not, but it's nothing Lyn has revealed to us in game.
Finally, if you have a Patron with an unknown true name, you can just use their 'descriptor' name, but always capitalized.
Right, so for them, use their 'descriptor' name, ie, Light, Darkness, Fear, etc.
Eg, if you're talking about Light in the Vai entry, you would use Lumos, which would be hyper-linked to an entry bearing the same name. Within, you would have all the info about Lumos, including being the Patron of Light(duh).
Likewise, Death would only be refereed to as Death, because that's all we known him as. Perhaps he has a true name, maybe not, but it's nothing Lyn has revealed to us in game.
Finally, if you have a Patron with an unknown true name, you can just use their 'descriptor' name, but always capitalized.
Yeah this was basically the conclusion I came to as well (see the link above) xD
@Dalesman Not sure what went wrong there with all that, but I made a page for Fei for you. :)
Phew, I pumped out alot of stubs for various setting stuffs today, as well as making a copy of the new player guide on the wiki, as well as some other stuff. If anyone is unsure how the site works or needs help getting started, just let me know. Gonna take a bit of work to get this off the ground.
@Dalesman Not sure what went wrong there with all that, but I made a page for Fei for you. :)
Much obliged sir :)
I figured I flubbed something - I assumed just pasting that code into a new entry and filling it out would resolve correctly.
[EDIT]: And while I would love to put up some imagery, I don't think I'll tempt copyright issues just for the sake of vanity. ;P
@Dalesman Not sure what went wrong there with all that, but I made a page for Fei for you. :)Much obliged sir :)
I figured I flubbed something - I assumed just pasting that code into a new entry and filling it out would resolve correctly.
[EDIT]: And while I would love to put up some imagery, I don't think I'll tempt copyright issues just for the sake of vanity. ;P
Yeah the editor is tempermental at times. Definitely one of those where I wish it wouldn't do anything to my markdown instead of trying to apply it while I am working.
I also thought about images but decided that unless we own the copyright we probably shouldn't mess with it.
Personally, I think the patrons main page should be their ideal name, since we do know those for all of them. I think it gives consistency. We don't know the formal names for all of them, so it's "Formal name for these, ideal name for the others, but that might change as we learn some names." When it could be "Ideal name, formal name redirects here."
Personally, I think the patrons main page should be their ideal name, since we do know those for all of them. I think it gives consistency. We don't know the formal names for all of them, so it's "Formal name for these, ideal name for the others, but that might change as we learn some names." When it could be "Ideal name, formal name redirects here."
I can see it both ways, that's why I asked. Personally I'd like Lyn to weigh in on it before I work any more on the patron stuff (lots of other stuff to do though so no rush).
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I don't check my campaign tabs for a week and BOOM, suddenly a wiki I can intimidate other friends with. XD
"Yeah this RP I'm playing in is so massive and convoluted we need a wiki to keep everything straight."
...
XD
I would say the patrons main page should be the name of their ideal since that’s really the default. Some of them have adopted fancy names because they’re a little extra and also their champions liked it as it was easier to avoid confusion with language, but those are strictly affectations.
Cool cool. I'm currently in the process of creating a character stub for every character marked as active in the campaign tab. (At least, the ones I recognize)
[Goes to Wiki to add more data.]
[Remembers he doesn't want to get sued.]
[Cancels entry.]
(=^-^=)
Probably not, but I always try to err on the side of caution when using portions of other peoples' IP. ;)