Reincarnation question

If a character had an affect that is said to effect their soul. Like a piece missing or whatever. Would your reincarnation still have that effect applied?.

First, you've gotten your affect and effect mixed up.

Secondly, there is no hard answer to your question. By the rules, reincarnation heals all physical ills and afflictions. Undead creatures and those killed by death effects cannot be reincarnated. Constructs and outsiders cannot be reincarnated.

I believe the implied reading is physical ills and physical afflictions, so that clause shouldn't fix mental or soul damage.

Constructs and undead being unable to reincarnate suggests that a missing or damaged soul can't be fixed by reincarnate.

Outsiders being unable to reincarnate is interesting to ponder but not relevant to your question I think.

By my reading, reincarnate forms a new body to put an existing soul in. It does nothing else, so a creature with a soul that is damaged (but not too badly that it cannot reincarnate at all, like the undead) reincarnates with a still damaged soul.

First, you've gotten your affect and effect mixed up.

Or maybe he's referring to a character with emotions that are said to bring about their soul. You never know.

Cell phone loves auto correct. Must have hit s or something.

Thank you.
The idea is a character who had a piece of their soul removed and replaced by a bit of shadow stuff.

If a character had an affect that is said to effect their soul. Like a piece missing or whatever. Would your reincarnation still have that effect applied?.

There's a paizo book that addresses this thing. Basically it's this... if you sold your soul to say a devil or demon, when you die, that devil or demon has first claim on it, no going to the boneyard, no waiting in line for Pharasma. Your deal has pre-empted that process.

Without the soul available, that means there is nothing to reincarnate or resurrect. You'd have to make some sort of deal with the being that holds the soul.

To what end? If it's not a slow reveal, I'd have them come back as a fetchling. If it is, I'd roll normally and apply some effects to him. I would hesitate to prevent them from coming back unless it's the only thing that makes sense.

Well the character in question is a Shade from Faerun and the template is added via cutting out a piece of your soul and replacing it with Shadow Stuff to grant you remarkable abilities

Shade CR 2 even if its not on the listing.

I wanted to know if I reincarnated into another race if I would keep the template. I was thinking yes due to the shadow stuff being part of your very soul.

Ooch. If that's the case, then this

Outsiders being unable to reincarnate is interesting to ponder but not relevant to your question I think.

is an unfortunate roadblock, as Shades (per the link you provided) are Outsiders and thus not eligible for reincarnation.

Also, this does not appear to be a template?

Well the character in question is a Shade from Faerun and the template is added via cutting out a piece of your soul and replacing it with Shadow Stuff to grant you remarkable abilities

Shade CR 2 even if its not on the listing.

I wanted to know if I reincarnated into another race if I would keep the template. I was thinking yes due to the shadow stuff being part of your very soul.

What about making them a petitioner?

I think they would count as Outsider (Native) like Aasimar and that lot, who can be reincarnated.

I say this because Aasimar were Outsider in 3.5 but is given the new subtype in PF.

Looking at that template, it makes them an outsider. It says they're creatures of the plane of shadow. So not native. Hence, they're technically not raiseable.

I would probably allow it and mess with him some, though.

Well remember Aasimar and Tieflings where declared full Outsiders in the old editions too. And Shades are Humans who have a piece of their soul removed and filled with shadow stuff. So they are humans with a template added to them. (Races of Faerun or Setting of Faerun has it in there).

Given their origin, and that they are still humans just with an outsider influence I could see just cause in calling them Native.

I can see where you're coming from and don't come down hard either way, but for my money, "as creatures of the plane of shadows" reads as a stronger tie than aasimar.

The flavor feels closest to the actual celestial template. That doesn't have an explicit statement. Half-celestials are native outsiders (I was surprised by that one), so you're probably right.

Well the culture of humans are a small portion (A very large city) that was transported to the plane of shadows. they are still human just well been stranded on that plane for awhile.

Aasimar and Tieflings were native outsiders in 3.5. In either case, the reincarnate spell gives no special dispensation to native outsiders anyway. They are still outsiders, and cannot reincarnate. I would have preferred them to be Humanoid (planetouched), but thems the breaks.

That being said, this is the Advice board, not the Rules board; if you are the GM here you can easily change that rule; if you are a player you may be out of luck unless the GM is less stringent about the rules.

Aasimar and Tieflings were native outsiders in 3.5. In either case, the reincarnate spell gives no special dispensation to native outsiders anyway. They are still outsiders, and cannot reincarnate.

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Ah, alright then. But still, Shades are not Native.

Accept they fall perfectly into the definition. They are mortals with a strong connection to the Shadow plane. Really they are not much different then Fetchlings

Except, they lack the Native subtype, as written. If you are the GM or your GM is willing to allow what you want there isn't a problem, but if you are playing by the written rules, a Shade cannot reincarnate.

Looking closer, I see that Shades are 3.0 material; I'm not sure the Native subtype existed back then (Rakshasas didn't have the Native subtype in 3.0). While that may allow for the Native subtype to be applied, it also indicates that a heavy overhaul of the race/template is needed for use in Pathfinder. Maybe just use the Fetchling race, since that's basically the same niche?

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First, you've gotten your affect and effect mixed up.

Or maybe he's referring to a character with emotions that are said to bring about their soul. You never know.

"to bring about" is the verb "effect". Example: The conjurer effected a snowball.

The reasons outsiders cannot be raised/reincarnated is because their "soul" is their "body" and not a separate thing. A dead outsider merges into the plane it comes from, thus being unavailable to be raised/reincarnated. [Info from the planescape setting.]

Since a Shade still has a soul, even if only part of one, they can be raised/reincarnated. Messing up the process due to the incomplete soul, however, is a valid GM option.

/cevah