D.A.A. I don't think it matters too much how long Shiloh was with Aevelyn. I was thinking of just the potential of interacting with the new lady in waiting, but I can go with whatever is better for you here.
Samy: Yes I think that works fine for me :) And yes, she did reject going to an arcane school, finding it too rigid for her tastes instead preferring to explore her bloodline powers. I would say her family definitely disapproves of her decision here, which is why she is being sent away to some podunk town in the middle of nowhere...
It would also explain why Nysene was assigned has her bodyguard technically, but her actual assignment was to keep her out of trouble.
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Tavitha, I don't know much about your background. You were a dark folk, came to the surface -- how long ago? How familiar is the surface to you? Was it years ago and you have become accustomed to things here, or are you playing the "everything is so new and different here"? I was checking the Darklands Guide and there was some information about a major exit from the Darklands being in Cheliax's major forest, the Whisperwood, so that would be a likely location to emerge initially.
With you being dark folk and Melisanya being drow, both of you are from the Darklands -- did you possibly exit together, or any other coincidence to tie backgrounds together?
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And yes, she did reject going to an arcane school, finding it too rigid for her tastes instead preferring to explore her bloodline powers. I would say her family definitely disapproves of her decision here, which is why she is being sent away to some podunk town in the middle of nowhere...
Seeing a little Qara from Neverwinter Nights 2 in this...
So we have two things that your family disapproves of: the mingling with commoners in opera and the natural magic over studied magic things.
Is DAA okay with her job being to keep you "proper"?
What's going on with the Nysene as Aevelyn's bodyguard thing? Was she also assigned by your family, or is she someone that you've hired independently, to be "on your side"?
I believe Melisanya had an interest in the opera as well, perhaps your backgrounds might tie together somewhere there?
Aevelyn I can honestly go with either one. Both have good potential. With the longer stay there is a better chance that they are closer but Aevelyn might feel betrayed since Shiloh just sort of takes off. Which could happen with the new arrival as well.
Another option if you really want to go with the new meeting is that on her way to a new house Shiloh takes off and you family has her tracked down and brought back. Then they would have just met after she gets back. Though I am not sure why they would give someone who ran off to a problem child. Which you seem to already have in there, a punishment... Which I rather like. Take a runaway with trouble staying in one house and make a lady of her.
Samy where does the campaign have the PCs starting off?
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The campaign will start with all of you in the small town of Longacre in Cheliax, having been hired or convinced by an underworld figure to pull a shady job that may get you money/connections/influence.
Maybe House Thassan sees both Aevelyn and Shiloh as "problem children" and tries to pair them off to keep the bad apples in one cart not letting them contaminate all the good ones? Or I don't know, maybe after Shiloh runs away and is brought back she's no longer a lady-in-waiting, just was one formerly, and maybe now just feels close to Aevelyn?
Not sure how well Shiloh will be able to make someone behave better. She is defiantly a problem child. But as a test she could totally work. Having no coven to return to she does have to salvage her life among the aristocracy.
Bah you ninja'd me Samy! I like the bad apple idea.
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Just, y'know, "make them disappear", "send them somewhere far away so they don't embarrass me anymore" et al.
I dunno, maybe her L-i-W running away and having to be rescued was an embarrassment to Aevelyn too. Maybe she had to take a lot of crap for it?
Another idea is maybe the house wanted to punish them both for getting out of line. Maybe Aevelyn did something stupid when she didn't have her LIW watching her, and now she gets punished for it and LIW gets punished for not having been there to prevent it. And then when they both have the punishment in line, maybe they run away?
If Aev takes the substance abuser feat maybe she interrupted some big party or negotiation by showing up drunk out of her mind and throwing up all around the place and insulting everyone and whatever.
Just throwing around ideas.
I would lie to you or at least not explain everything. Yep I totally would.
Samy are there any issues with the crunch that I have thus far. I like my impressive 3 hit points. I could die so easily right now. Falling down stairs could take her out.
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Well you are an "unchanined" summoner, whatever that is. ;) (While I'm being insanely nitpicky, capitalize the Female in your statline, it bugs me. :D )
I'll take a look at the rest right after clicking post on this.
Edit: The rest looks fine to me.
Although I'm starting to think how hostile House Thassan could become to the pair of you with 16 and 20 Cha. You average out to 18 Cha per lady. How could anyone stay mad at you? Would it be more likely you'd twist the house around your fingers? I don't know. I guess ultimately it has to be possible for even an 18 Cha to become hated if they get drunk and strip around enough.
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I have created a link to the game's Google Drive folder at the top of the page. You should be able to see it right above the "Campaign Info" tab. If you click on it, it should take you to the Google Drive folder which should be visible to everyone. For the moment it only contains a map of Cheliax, but from it, you can see where the town of Longacre is, where we will start.
In the following, I will also distill some information from the Darklands guide that will be particularly relevant to those characters coming from the Darklands. Darklands is divided into three layers: Nar-Voth (closest to surface), Sekamina (middle layer) and Orv (deepest).
Main points of transit between Cheliax and Nar-Voth are below the Whisperwood (mostly inhabited by vegepygmies) and the capital Egorian (mostly derros). Tavitha and Melisanya may have come up through either of those, a minor undocumented exit, or somewhere outside Cheliax entirely. But if they want to incorporate some of that into their backstory, they would have probably exited to the surface either through vegepygmy or derro territory.
There's a major drow city called Telderist on the middle level of the Darklands, Sekamina, roughly underneath Egorian. That might be relevant to Melisanya. I would say that for drow purposes, Occam's Razor says that the simplest way to end up in Cheliax is to begin in Telderist, come up one level to the derro city of Krba in Nar-Voth, then come up one more level to the surface and end up in Egorian, which would also put her right where the best cultural scene is, if Melisanya wants to have opera affiliations. Of course, anything else is an option, I'm just giving out info here.
Drow cities appear to have small minorities of dark folk, role unspecified but possibly/probably as slaves. No major dark folk dominated settlement is mentioned that I can find, so maybe Tavitha originates as a drow slave? Maybe Melisanya's slave that she took along when going to the surface? Or she could just be a part of any minor dark folk settlement that's too small to be mentioned in the guide, and made her way to the surface independently.
Correction to the preceding: I found a major dark folk settlement but it's not in Cheliax, it's in Nidal just to the north. Underneath the Uskwood forest in Nidal, on the first level of the Darklands (Nar-Voth) there's a slave market called Sverspume that's mostly maintained by dark folk. So if Tavitha wants to come from a major dark folk area, she may have come from Sverspume, either exiting to the surface in Nidal and made her way south to Cheliax, or made her way south in the Darklands and emerged to the surface in Cheliax through either of the previously mentioned transit points.
Ok I can fix stuff after work. As to the stats think about how people feel about the beautiful ones, especially if they are not nice people. Jealousy is a thing.
Although I'm starting to think how hostile House Thassan could become to the pair of you with 16 and 20 Cha. You average out to 18 Cha per lady. How could anyone stay mad at you? Would it be more likely you'd twist the house around your fingers? I don't know. I guess ultimately it has to be possible for even an 18 Cha to become hated if they get drunk and strip around enough.
I would agree with this sentiment completely. While Aevelyn and Shiloh could influence the servants and slaves fairly easily, those who are in charge would be able to resist their charms. Besides, just because they are leaders maybe their CHA scores are even higher :)
Sure, that also works fine for me! You're the boss :)
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No no no no. When it comes to your character, *you* are the boss. (Except if this were Strange Aeons, which it's not.) My role here is merely to throw things at the wall, and *you* pick which idea you like best. It's your character. You're going to be RPing the whole background. I suggest things. You decide who your character is. :)
I didn't know a lot about the Darklands, so felt it was kind of best to be vague about how and when Tavitha got to the surface. But from that info it would be easiest to have her come up thru Nidal, since she used worship Zon-Kuthon. On the other hand I had almost given her vegepygmy for one of her languages, but didn't have much of a reason top justify it...but if she could have easily come up thru their territory, that would be a fun little aside. :P
It would have to replace undercommon, since that's her only chosen language.
Was there anyone who's thinking about the Single Mother feat? Or conversely, anyone who's triggered by the idea of carrying a baby through dangerous expeditions? I'd understand if someone doesn't want to see that happen at all.
I'm honestly very tempted, but oh so worried it would end badly with Tavitha being the raging melee type.
True...
Nope I am already doing the baby thing with Deseri in your other game.
That campaign sounds fascinating. I love psychological horror.
Samy, I actually do like the jealousy aspect of her older sibling(s) so I will incorporate it into her background.
^ Well now I feel like I need to add a bit of explanation...
Long story short, my witch in a game that's basically The Walking Dead set in Golarion found herself as the new caregiver for a newborn whose mother had died. Having no real way to feed the baby, she made a pact with the being that gave her her powers (Shadow patron) and suddenly found herself with more than enough milk to feed her new daughter. But as is always the case when making deals with things you don't understand, there have been some...side effects. My character's 'daughter' has aged from a newborn to a small child to a young teen in the space of maybe a few weeks, always in response to finding herself in mortal danger of some sort.
There's a bunch of other stuff that seems to be going on as well, but those are the most pertinent bits of information :P
Heh, as a recent addition to that game I can tell you it has been quite a distraction, and my character (A LE Natural Wererat Rogue/Wizard) does not completely trust the daughter, or to be more accurate, the powers that seem to be protecting her, he he. It has certainly been an interesting twist to be sure!
As for the Strange Aeons AP, I am eagerly awaiting it as well! As a backer of the Blight setting, I am a sucker for those games too :D
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We need to talk about Asmodeus a bit.
Considering he's a canon-established misogynist and avoids placing women in positions of power
versus
This is a campaign all about the women
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He's the most common deity in Cheliax.
Despite Abrogail ruling Cheliax, it's more *in spite of* Asmodeus than because of him. She's managed to work her way up there against a female-discriminating system, so she's pretty badass. But Asmodeus himself, and consequently his church are significantly misogynist, and since he's the major faith of Cheliax, that is reflected throughout the fabric of the country.
So, with you guys being women -- do you really want to worship Asmodeus? It's okay if you do -- and if you have the campaign trait Asmodean Acolyte you pretty much indeed *have* to -- but for the rest of you, I'm just saying, give it a second thought. I'm absolutely not saying you can't, if you feel it makes sense for your character. I'm just saying, doublecheck and make sure. Just because he's the main god of Cheliax doesn't mean you have to follow him. Cheliax has freedom of religion and other religions are tolerated -- heck, there are churches of Iomedae all over the place, so that says a lot.
The setting has a ton of deities, I'd say almost anything for everyone. Lawful Evil, Neutral Evil, Chaotic Evil, those big lists in Inner Sea Gods have like dozens of each. Whore Queens, Horsemen, Great Old Ones and many many more. Consider if Asmodeus is really the guy for you. And if you feel he is -- I emphasize that it's perfectly fine.
If you have the Inner Sea Gods hardcover, I find that the lists at the end of that are probably the most user-friendly interface to finding the right deity. If you don't, I suggest Archives of Nethys Deities by Alignment or actually I think By Category is actually even more user-friendly (it's pretty much the same format as Inner Sea Gods). There are so many. Also remember that you don't have to be the same alignment as your deity. A LE character could have LN or NE deity, so that widens the selection even more.
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* Although the Constable archetype implies some sort of law enforcement role, the cavalier order I was looking at (Order of Ennead Star, a newer order specifically meant for aspiring Hellknights) has the flavor of having undergone some training with the Hellknights already. Perhaps Nysene can be a new arrival in town, having been sent there on some sort of temporary assignment.
* If it makes a difference, was looking at Order of the Godclaw for the specific Hellknight order she'd be associated with.
I just realized I never answered this one. Constable archetype and the Orders of Ennead Star and Godclaw are all perfectly fine. Especially the Godclaw one is very very thematic for this AP.
Of the five deities that the Order of the Godclaw venerates, Iomedae and Torag would require you to be non-Evil. Irori and Abadar would allow Lawful Evil, while Asmodeus would allow Lawful and Neutral Evil.
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I'm trying to gather together the main details of every character in one simple spreadsheet. Please take the time to click on this link to the spreadsheet and check your information. Post in this thread any information that is missing or incorrect for your character.
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Tavitha, just as a point of interest, all dark folk that I have run across have had names of <adjective> <noun> form: Unwrapped Harmony, Gaunt Cadaver, August Caller. Absolutely not saying that you have to follow that pattern. For all we know, it's different for caligni than other dark folk. Or maybe those names are nicknames covering up truenames, or maybe vice versa -- maybe Tavitha is a made-up name covering up her truename. It's absolutely your call what you wanna do with your name. I just thought I'd inform you that dark folk seem to have an established naming convention, but it's totally up to you if or how you want to use that information.
If you end up going for Single Mother, there's some relevant information in Dark Callers:
The dark callers also lead the ritual of blanching, where they take a new born and expose them to the touch of the owb. The sinister touch robs the infant of all of its color and light and determines what sub set of dark folk the infant will develop into.
So if you do have a baby, has it gone through the ritual of blanching? Or did you leave dark folk society before that? What happens to a dark folk child who never goes through the ritual? We could work all of that into the plot if you like.
I actually think I am going to be going with Gozreh for my deity pick. Not a divine caster so it is strictly for fluffy stuff. Alazhra the Dream Eater is on the list of Deities she now venerates though it is mostly out of respect for her Hag Mommy. I am totally going to go with the Night Hag.
Samy since Shiloh was still taken back would you like me to kill of the coven or leave them alive. There is also the option that she thinks that they are dead.
Concerning Asmodeus she actually dislikes him. Primarily due to the misogyny. The dislike for Iomedea comes from the belief that she and her followers are pushy jerks who think the world should come to their heel. There is almost equal contempt for both of them.
About the Eidolon. It says that it would be a biped and has leg and arms with claws. Do I still have to pick the claws evolution to use them or does it just have them?
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About the Eidolon. It says that it would be a biped and has leg and arms with claws. Do I still have to pick the claws evolution to use them or does it just have them?
Base Form: Eidolons of some subtypes are restricted in their choice of base form. Restrictions are spelled out here. The evolutions listed here are gained automatically, and do not cost points from the eidolon's evolution pool.
My interpretation of that is that you automatically have and can use the claws evolution without spending any points on it.
Sweet! To both ideas. I fail at reading and I am certain things should be checked over. And I hope I get to see this game through all the books!
After looking things over Samy, I have decided to worship the Whore Queen Ardad Lili, though she does give lip service to Asmodeus around her family.
Tavitha doesn't see religion as being all that important to her. She obviously worshiped the Owbs before eventually leaving her home, and briefly worshiped Zon-Kuthon for at least a few months/years. Once she realized the surface gods weren't nearly as hands-on as the Owbs she just sort of stopped worshiping anyone at all.
As for the name, August Caller was the only dark folk name I was able to find...so I just sort of came up with something semi-random, feminine-sounding name. I can certainly come up with something more dark-folky.
Having a baby could be interesting, and not wanting her child to go thru the blanching would have been a great motivation to leave her home in the first place. I think the weirdest part would be justifying bringing a child with you into battle, but this would be kind of subverted with Tavitha since caligni usually give birth to normal dark creepers -- she wouldn't trust anyone to babysit while mommy goes out to bash faces!
Avatars suck! I cannot find anything I like for my Eidolon!
So if the Eidolon has claws do I still have to sink the improved unarmed feat since it is a Prerequisite to the unarmed style of combat?
Aevelyn do we want to have known each other for some time or we just recently met/ were assigned to each other as punishment.
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Aevelyn, so noted.
Tavitha, just throwing around some ideas for deities here:
Laivatiniel (Anxiety, coddling, unhealthy parental love). The whole "I don't trust anyone near my child" angle could play into all three of those.
Llamolaek (Rebirth, rites of passage, transformation). This would emphasize the journey, how she chose a rebirth and transformation for herself by leaving dark folk society, and making the same decision for her child as well doubles it. She could also struggle with the significance of rite of passage -- was the blanching one that she should have undertaken for her child? Or is the true rite of passage *skipping* the blanching? Which one is a rite of passage, submitting to a procedure or making your own path?
Count Ranalc (Betrayal, exiles, shadows). One could say she betrayed her own society, and maybe she's willing to betray anyone for the right price given her alignment and campaign trait. She's clearly an exile, and shadows are very thematic for dark folk.
Just tossing around ideas here if you feel like looking into any of these. I think the first two are fairly blank slates and we could largely make them into what we'd like.
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Avatars suck! I cannot find anything I like for my Eidolon!
I feel your pain. I have had that so many times.
So if the Eidolon has claws do I still have to sink the improved unarmed feat since it is a Prerequisite to the unarmed style of combat?
I'm almost certain that monsters that have a claw attack don't require Improved Unarmed Attack to attack without AoOs but I'm too lazy to find the rule right now.
I will try to find the rule after work assuming i do not get sick again.
It is done but for a feat since I need to check some rules.
I do remember reading somewhere that what ever is on the Eidolon stays with it when it is summoned and sent away. But we share slots so we both cannot have to rings. Would I be able to buy it items to use and have it keep it with them.
Also is there a way to summon it faster than the one minuet ritual?
DEFENSE
AC 13, touch 11, flat-footed 12 (+1 Dex, +2 nat)
hp 11 (d10)
Fort +2 base,+1 mod = +3 / Ref +0 base,+1 mod = +1 / Will +2 base,+ 0 mod = +2
OFFENSE
Speed 30ft
Melee 2 claws +4 (1d4+4 x2);
Ranged
Special Attacks
STATISTICS
Str 16, Dex 12, Con 13, Int 7, Wis 10, Cha 11.
Base Atk +1; CMB +5; CMD 16
Feats
Skills 6 + its Intelligence modifier per Hit Die)
Bluff (Cha) +1rank, +0mod, +3 class, +8 skilled= 12
Craft (Int)
Disable Device+1rank, +1mod, +3 class= 5
Disguise
Knowledge (religion) (Int) +1rank, -2 mod, +3 class= 4
Knowledge (planes) (Int)
Perception (Wis)
Sense Motive (Wis)
Stealth(Dex) +1rank, +1mod, +3 class= 5
Use Magic Device
Languages Common
SQ Evolutions = Claws : The eidolon has a pair of vicious claws at the ends of its limbs, giving it two claw attacks. These attacks are primary attacks. The claws deal 1d4 points of damage (1d6 if Large, 1d8 if Huge). The eidolon must have the limbs evolution to take this evolution. This evolution can be selected more than once, up to the number of limbs evolution's the eidolon possesses. This evolution can be applied to any number of limbs (arms) evolution's, but no more than one limbs (legs) evolution
Skilled (bluff) :[/.b] The eidolon becomes especially adept at a specific skill, gaining a +8 racial bonus on that skill. This evolution can be selected more than once. Its effects do not stack. Each time the eidolon selects this evolution, it applies to a different skill.
[b]Scent : The eidolon's sense of smell becomes quite acute. The eidolon gains the scent special quality, allowing it to detect opponents within 30 feet by sense of smell. If the opponent is upwind, the range increases to 60 feet; if the opponent is downwind, the range drops to 15 feet. Strong scents can be detected at twice the normal range. Scent does not allow the eidolon to precisely locate the creature, only to detect its presence. It can detect the direction as a move action. The eidolon can pinpoint the creature's location if it is within 5 feet. The eidolon can use scent to track creatures.
Combat Gear Other Gear
Laivatiniel is perfect. It's kind of uncanny, really... 0.o
Okay, so I think I'm set to go with having a child. I'll have to name him/her and still need to think of Tavitha's dark folk name, and then I'll just have to revisit equipment and make sure I'm adequately equipped!
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I do remember reading somewhere that what ever is on the Eidolon stays with it when it is summoned and sent away. But we share slots so we both cannot have to rings. Would I be able to buy it items to use and have it keep it with them.
Also is there a way to summon it faster than the one minuet ritual?
You can absolutely buy as much equipment for the eidolon as you like. Both of you can have something in every slot simultaneously if you like. But if both have something in the same slot, then only the summoner's magic item functions. If you both have an amulet of natural armor in the neck slot, then only the summoner gets the bonus. But the eidolon can still wear its amulet and it can totally keep the amulet with it, and if the summoner takes off her amulet, then instantly the eidolon's amulet starts working.
There may be a way out there amongst the zillions of options to summon the eidolon faster, but I'm not aware of one.