*Reads crystal cost* Gauging by the class advancement for Monk, to advance Unarmed Damage, it would cost 1 Orange to 1d8, and then 1 Lime to 1d10, if I read correctly? Likewise for the Unarmored AC Bonus?
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
NoooOOOoooooo... Can't use a red crystal for Resist Nature's Lure (Ex). As I suspected, the Master Programmer is changing the rules to prevent Flynn from having Resist Nature's Lure (Ex) before a FAE Court function.
Take a drink of your Mountain Dew or a bite of Pizza:
Actually, I like the chart better now, so you want to use the red crystals for BAB and Saves.
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
Mr Manyteeth. Welcome. We are Ships passing in the night. I enjoy having you here.
GM don't read. Just us Players:
Part of the fun is dealing with over your head encounters. Been playing Dungeon Crash for a few months, since July. Use your Meta knowledge in this game. You have You and the character You. In this game, they are one in the same.
Level up cystals are slow to earn, at times. This is first time I had crystals burning my pocket, ready to spend. It is a slow build, but a satisfying one. You have to understand, when you spend your crystals, the scenes will still be over your head.
With Alice, the posts are astonishing to read, the imagery is so vibrant. Then you realize, wow, I am so f$##ed for traveling with her. No redeeming qualities... But you can't wait until Alice posts again... Be like Alice. Make me anticipate your posts.
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
Alice lives both in and outside the game world. Somehow, gaining the protection of the Cycle, but sped up. Like she slipped into life as a Fae soul would be reborn, but its different in the worst way. Speaking of Fae souls, there sure are a lot just sitting around and waiting for their reincarnation cycle to begin. As if a soul was glitched into the wrong body, corrupted in its data, changing the body to be partially dead and partially alive.
Sure would be a shame if one were to be grabbed from just sitting around and tossed into a dead body, interrupting the reincarnation to a living body; to where the soul has no idea that it will permanently die if the dead body is slain. In this way, Alice destroys the Fae, as they destroy themselves.
And she creates beasts that are no longer mob monsters. They don't follow the same game mechanics that pets or companions do. They exist inside, but outside of the game, fueled by Fae souls and Alice's direct will. Without her control, they are free to pursue their hunger for life, like oni and their love of souls.
That young Fae she stabbed? Its now walking around as a dead beast that hears Alice's will like something wiggling in front of you so fast that your brain adds sound to it when you dream of it.
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
I also believe I know what her request of the King will be. It took a bit, passing through many different ideas. The first one was obvious, power in the form of a weapon that she feels pulled towards and would want to use, or gems to increase herself. Then there was status, to be one with the court of the king. Though her current one is a terrible idea that I remembered from watching a terrible movie and may be historically inaccurate or not. Either way, it'll be a great scene.
Male NG Elf HP 10/10AC 13_T 13_FF_10 ,Perception +6 , Low-Light Vision ,Initiative +3 , Fort +0, Ref +3, Will +0 ,CMB -1, CMD 12 ,Speed: 30 ,Acrobatics +3 ,Bluff -1 ,Climb -1 Craft(Alchemy) +8 Diplomacy -1 Escape Artist +3 Handle Animal -1 Heal +0 Intimidate -1 Kn. Arcana +8 Kn. Engineering +8 Kn. Local +5 Ride +3 Stealth +4 Survival +0 Swim -1
Because I don't really have an opportunity to post often, and this is a very fast paced game, I am sad to say that I'm going to drop out of this campaign. I'm sorry, but I feel like my posting rate is just making it harder. Also sorry for the suddenness of the notice.
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
Flynn and I enjoy the gradual shift from Game programmed economy to how Reality works. In a Game. you fight through 300 warriors to a boss battle... but the dungeon had only 10 beds, no toilets, a minimal kitchen. In reality, how were the NPCs suppose to work and live? No eat, no restroom breaks, the food only for those in command. No "living" creature can live that way.
Sanctuary has magic as the answer considering the number of churches there along with the Mesa Farms. Loarim, however, doesn't have farms, doesn't have a Life Church, doesn't have trade routes. Where does it food come from?
Mordriac is in a unique position. He controls food, through the Hunt. He has Flynn's observations. Per Open Source, he is a new comer to the Winter Court, so no set loyalty to tradition. He has his Adepts, which qualify as a fighting force. In the Game, he was low in Prestige, while in Reality, he is quite important. The question becomes, how does this translate into our Narrative?
The King has to be very intelligent, very powerful, very dumb, or on the verge of abdicating. Maybe a combination. Mordriac may allow the King to remain King for a few months to simply compile more data. That is a flaw in being smart. Wanting to know more stuff vs doing something so you can go get drunk.
Flynn hasn't made this observation yet, and he is trying not to think about it too much. It has been on his mind, but then pushed aside. The Gods must be complicit in the kidnapping of Souls. Let me state this again.
The Gods are complicit.
The Mystery Man in Black Armor coming out of his hiding to get Aien's "Chosen Status". Or his "scale" if we compare Players to Nagakin. Baris asking for Chosen Status was getting tiresome. I like Baris laying in the grass, watching the sky, with weed sticking from his mouth... The Gods need Chosen Ones as a drunk needs Miller Light.
The Gods track their scores by Chosen One statuses they acquire. A video game I played had in the metric screen had a rating for "chickens killed". The Gods are comparing their numbers of Chosen Ones against each other.
The scary thing becomes "Why?".
Flynn is further thinking, Can the character of the Chosen dictate the actions of the God. Per the Death Temple, doctrine can be changed by vote once a year.
So Alice can influences the Death Temple to allow Undead - which would be awesome. As it stands now, the Death Temple doesn't like Undead. Should that have been in a spoiler?
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
In Dungeon Crash, Physics/science/biology is merging (or fighting) with Game Progamming.
Spawn points vs Pregnancy. Can female avatars become pregnant? Or are all new life forms through spawn points?
Actual training and muscle memory. Retention and Repetition ... all this vs Red Crystals, level ups, and Chosen One Gifts. Hours of work vs Armor Set virtual feats.
Dungeon Crash is about Reality vs Perceived and Programmed Reality.
Sanctuary should have enough food because of Magic and Mesa Farms. At what point will Reality dictate Sanctuary Food statis. When 50% of the farms destroyed, 100% of the farms destroyed?
Doe food decay because of bacteria, time, and erosim... or is the status of food have a timer like food in the Sims - edible or throw-up-able.
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
I was thinking of adding an npc into this mixed up scenario. Alice's friendly rival of a player who tends to pull heart strings, rather than rip them out. She is a vindictive soul, but not neccessarily violent. It's possible for her to spend days thinking of how to get her revenge on someone who wronged her, and Alice may have helped with one or two of her "quests" before she died.
Her most notable ability is to change shape, to better attract those she wants close to her. But she likes the idea of having brightly blond hair and the most stunning dress colors, when she's not in another shape. Her purpose would be to climb the social ladder and cause mayhem between her lovers.
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
My friend told me about his favorite thing about Alice. "You know what I like? You know how people would abbreviate names? Well, Alice would be M. Alice. Or Malice."
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
I am liking Alice of the Red Cloak. Sorta Noble, yet not... All these clueless NPCs rolling their Knowledge Nobility and Royalty to determine if it is a legit title.
Whereas I've sort of hit a wall. One can be jovial and gregarious, but as an (obviously) just starting character at a FAE BALL there's very much the "stay small, stay quiet" pressure going on.
Based on what GM Wolf has said, I may have made the final "totally hand made race" for this Game Dungeon Crash!
I am Titus the Gold, and I have no doubt we will meet shortly.
Titus basic description for gameplay / style would read as follows (while he spins, digimon style, on a series of highlighter colors flashing through a glass podium)
Totally Awesome Game Intro Voice Narrative:
Titus the Gold of the Golden Dragons at Life Church has power rivaling most extraordinary beasts. In a matter of seconds (12 to be exact in combat time) Titus grows from 20 strength to 32, unleashing the power of his great sword with untold ferocity and daring.
He charges into battle with no armor, or need, as even though he will always get hit, his enemies will always die.
While Titus is temperate and protective of his allies and the world surrounding him in game, his skills leave something to be desired. If it isn't swimming through muck or climbing a tree, Titus is most likely of no use to you aside from providing you with patience for the task at hand.
@GM Wolf- I have not read a single piece of the gameplay thread yet to respect the game and keep it sacred <3 I would happily come in like everyone else.
You want to provide a small narrative in spoilers on gameplay, and then off and away I can go? Or should I wait for Crayfish?
(Also, not sure how this is normally played, but I'd imagine anything and everything on Titus' page for the lore of dragons etc. would have to be common knowledge. Pre-order bonuses / rewards aren't really secrets after all)
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
Titus the Gold. I am offended that you have not read the previous story. Please do so - I have written some f~%&ing awesome posts. You can't allow posts like that to go unread.
The game is based upon a premise that players have meta knowledge of tropes that have commonly appeared in the genre.
You may have played the previous version of the game, or you may have read a walk through / preview /review / wikipedia page of the game. As a Dragon, you may have been watching the Hunt through the Spheres of Illumination with the rest of the Court.
At this point players in the MMO have either been killed or adjusted to the game being a new reality to realized that the stakes are their lives. You have kids in their parents basements thinking there are no laws so they can go out and stab people... vs the accountants that realize they can't risk their lives in the game to dungeon crawl so they set themselves up as bartenders and grocers.
As witnessed in the number of Fae Nobles that have died during the Hunt. The previous Hunts have always said they were successful. When statistics and agendas happened after the Awakening - when the dice had to roll for every encounter, the sheer numbers of the Nagakin overwhelmed the Fae Hunters. Story Telling vs Reality are two different things, that is why Flynn wanted to act this Hunt.
Flynn is trying to figure out how to better the player base and NPC base against the next threat. Alice of the Red Cloak is insane but some part of her wants to either betray such an action or seek redemption in allowing such an action to happen. Mr. Manyteeth is great. He probably hasn't realized he can't log-out yet. As a player, he is still goig through the WTF stage.
The Hunt has been happening since Halloween. So while it is fast paced, the timing is slow. BTW: Merry Christmas. Suddenly, the red cloak has white trimming...
All characters represent a stage of grief in being trapped in the game. What stage will your character be?
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
BTW: please let me know if you think that Flynn is behaving in a CN manner... Is he shifting towards other alignments. More of a philosophy point than a game mechanic. I am curious.
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
I use easydamus for most of my alignment quandaries. Their individual alignment information is very informative. But I find CN to be a very forgiving alignment.
As for Alice, she could care less about Flynn`s plan. Though if he told her he was trying to help others, she would be very confused as to why he want to. And if his plan was clearly in the way of what she wanted at that moment, then she would destroy it, or at least the bit that was in front of her.
Stage of grief... I believe titus'player would go through three stages. The first stage is observation. Dragons are patient and observant, and he would nit want his strength to draw too much attention until he was aware of his surroundings. Dont let this read like a true act of wisdom, however, because it is not, it would be out of fear.
The second stage, given his power, would be preservation. Titus would ensure the immediate area, people he trusted, and people still in a stage of fear were protected. Still, this is not an act of draconic nobility so much as self security.
The true nobility and bravery of a dragon, in Titus case, is that of finally being proactive.
In order to observe, Titus must go to other places and areas. To protect people in those areas, Titus must become stronger. To become stronger, Titus must act.
Aa far as player vs. Character, I would say living through this game skin would cause the player to be a sort of existential realist- he is Titus in real life because if Titus dies, he dies. When Titus is hungry, he eats. It is absolutely a coping mechanism to accept the messed up reality the player is in, a desperate search for something concrete to hold on to.
I'm normally the word of mouth guy. If it's super interesting, I end up writing it down. Helps with a PbP because then I can just remember what page the passage I'm looking for was on xD
Male CN Human HP: 11/11, AC: 16 T: 16 FF: 10 Perception +7 Initiative: +3 Fort +4 Ref +6 Will +7 (+9 vs. divination) CMB: +2, CMD: 18 Speed: 30 Bluff (Trickery) +9, Diplomacy +7, Disguise (Trickery) +7, Knowledge (Local) +9, Perception +7, Profession: Chef +7, Sense Motive +7, Stealth (Trickery) +7, Survival +4, Active conditions: Out of his mind.
If you are playing a Dragon, play it smart: Know the characters you will interact with, develop long term strategy, have an agenda. Play a Dragon that is worthy of the name Dragon.
Make me believe that you are a Dragon, rather than a gamer trapped in a Dragon body. Don't be the Dragon that hoards Mountain Dew.
Though you could develop the character to finding what it means to be a Dragon. I haven't played around with the notion of does the Game mix in personalities. So Gamer A sitting in an internet cafe in Seattle gets trapped in the Game inside of Orc B. Does Orc B's personality/biology affect the end result, which is Gamer AB.
Flynn has a 20 Int in the Game. He was smart outside the Game, being a washed out Video Game Designer turned Chef. So now Flynn is recalling history lessons and mathematics from college, recall quotes for the Art of War, rereading Calvin and Hobbes (the comic and the men named for)...
I think the story is more going to be about the Player playing as the Player, since the consequences are the same now, and then realizing (the point he is at now) that he has to *be* and / or *become* a dragon.
The IRL lore of the Dragon Skin is that it was just a pre-order award. This kid didn't think he was actually going to have to be a dragon to survive, he thought he was just going to get to play as one.
Now he's slowly realizing that his fantasy of being one, the whole reason he wanted the dragon skin, could *also* be a reality.
It's that very complicated switch of persona like I mentioned earlier. Almost like a two face deal. The character acts like a dragon, but the player is still a bit fearful. Whether his fear makes him look wise, or his wisdom will protect him from his own fear yet, I have NO idea.
That sort of development comes from me finally playing him :P
AC: 14 , Touch: 14 , FF: 10 HP 10 Fort:+2, Ref:-1, Will:+3 (+2 vs. mind affecting, +2 vs spells)
Fair and True
Skills:
Perception +7, Bluff +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Disguise +8 (+9 vs. evil critters), Spellcraft 3
I made my playing very simple in killing the player tied to Alice. But at the same time, it's a different style of awakening and play, as Alice's goals are very different from the standard player. She doesn't suffer from the fear of death, nor does she believe she's trapped in something that she must escape. The game is her reality, the world outside is a stranger to her.
Super excited to start! Tyme and I have a few things to work on from the past before we join you guys, so feel free to read on us as we catch up to you in the timeline! Ive read to page 14 for the pbp so far, very excited
I've not read much farther yet on the PbP while Tyme and I prep for tonight-
I see at least 7 in game days that the others have spent in time. Do you happen to have a count of the days?
For Tyme and I's timeline to "now" in the PbP, I assume close to 14 if not a little bit more. If not, it's cool, I'll keep reading and try to get a more accurate count.
If tyme and I's posts get spammy, please let us know.
On one hand we have 20 pages worth of a timeline to catch up on (we made several rules to the dungeon to speed up our timeline, however ;) ) but on the other we don't want to create 2 straight pages of just us if it will irritate anyone :P
GM, feel free as needed to endorse what we rewarded ourselves for each dungeon floor vs. what you would reward. We aren't sure how scarce you want crystals / gold to be.
So far gold is a non-existent reward in the dungeon, and pretty much every floor is designed to kill us in one way or another so that the crystals we do gather are properly earned.
Until then we chug along without spending any of them.
two of my class abilities I picked don't stack for what I wanted so I'm just gonna switch out the useless one for cure light wounds 3 times a day if thats ok. The other thingy was completely useless without the channels stacking as that was the only thing it gave
I have been having this idea swirl around in my head quite a bit. Using several amines as a basis for starting a new homebrew, such as the following:
'Sword Art Online'
'.Hack//'
'Is it wrong to try to pick up girls in a dungeon?'
'Log Horizon'
The idea is that players are trapped in the game, 'Dungeon Crash'. It will be an open world for people to explore and do what you want.
Development Help:
We can develop some of the world first such as major quests and landmarks.
Anoney want to help start building it with me?
My time is very limited but I am devoting an hour each day to PbP, so a few posts from me each night is likely the most I can devote at this time.
It would be classic D&D but with no class system. The made classes from the books give us direction but each 'player/adventurer' would have their own build and slowly developing their class. After a while special secret skills would start appearing. As you kill creatures you will find gems, you will be able to trade in the gems for upgrades for your class. Each of you will likely become very powerful and quickly, have fun doing it.
In this game I would allow anything. Though like I said above it would be more classic D&D.
General layout: the dungeon is a massive tower also leading below ground. A decent sized town has sprung up around it and has stayed for the last few years. Though with the basis of the structured game changing to a more like life who knows what will happen (like Log Horizon).
Also, should mental stats be representative of the character's personality outside of the game, or are they indicative of the abilities of the character they're playing in the game? Since characters can know meta information, I'd guess the former?
So umm.. This sounds interesting, but I'm also confused about a couple of things. Mainly where it has conflicting information in the campaign info section, particularly where it talks about leveling up and then goes to say that it is a level-less system. From my perspective it seems like level-less was the intention, but that just raises more questions such as ability DCs, which I assume start at the equivalent of level one and then are increased by purchasing the ability again? And what about level requirements for class features and perks? Can you only take first level features at character creation, and if so how do you meet the level requirements for higher level features?
ImperialSunlight, the mental stats would be more indicative of the abilities of the character. Meta information is meta.
Don't worry, you will all be able to grow much quicker than leveling up.
Sorry Arcturas, I am still going over the information again to make it all in the same direction. You won't be leveling up, merely gaining abilities. I know it will be an imperfect system and we will be working on it. If there is a level requirement we will need to adjust it to something else, like a previous feat or ability score requirement.
This system is much simpler than normal Pathfinder:
Take 2 traits, 1 feat, 4 class skills, 2+int mod. skill points, 1 weapon proficiency, light armor proficiency OR trade it for 1 more "special, cherry-pick any 3 specials from any combination of classes.
Samples of a "special":
A bonus feat
1 spell
+1d6 sneak attack
barbarian rage
NO BAB, NO bonus saves, or the stuff you get from "levelling".
During the course of playing you gain "Crystals", trade in a crystal for a special, +1 BAB, +save, +feat, +HP, +stats etc. (see Campaign Info for exact value of each). Things that scale with level normally don't, NOTHING scales, you need to buy them again to increase them f.x. you need to keep buying "sneak attack" to improve it, each purchase adds +1d6.
As a "tank" fx. I'll be buying +HP and +Con far more frequently than it would scale with levelling in regular play. When you guys might have 3 hit dice, I might be at 6, at the detriment of my BAB, specials or saves maybe. You might however choose to be at +5d6 sneak attack while only at +3 BAB.
The main difficulty is looking over every class available in all supplements and figuring out what you want to pick together to make the most interesting character possible.
Now somebody make a healer and we'll be unstoppable!
Although I think I'll wait till I know about level requirements before I actually put anything together.
For a beginning character, just don't take anything that isn't available to a lvl 1 character and you're fine. No need to try to min-max this from the very first step.
I think it's fine for the GM to just say "you can't do that right now", if your first 3 crystals were "+1d6 sneak attack", and you want to add a +1d6 sneak attack as your 4th choice.
It's a new take on a system so just roleplay and less rollplay. Pen & paper RPGs used to be a lot more "GM's discretion" than they seem to be today.
suppose i could make nearly anything with these rolls.
how would you rule the gunslinger's Gunsmith special? also if one were to choose a projectile weapon how much ammunition would we start with?
been wanting to try playing a dual revolver wielding character but would take a ridiculous amount of time to get it running under normal rules. 'course i don't expect to start with revolvers.
Fantastic! I saw your character before and was hoping you'd stick with us, I like your character, are you going the route of group buffs? What did you have in mind as we advance?
Also, Wolf has asked that we link to our specials, traits, etc. on our sheet since we're all taking these from ALL OVER the place. I have to admit I'm not sure where to find all your abilities. Would be great to get a better understanding of your capabilities.
If I buy Rage, does it give me more rage per day, or do I have to buy those? How would I do that, exactly? 1 level = 1 special? Because that's a raw deal.
1 feat = 1 special? Or is there feat crystals?
Do specials have prerequisites? Let's say I want the Smite Evil, Divine Grace, Lay on Hands and Holy Champion abilities from the paladin
Class Idea:
Bomb alchemist ability
Ability to cast one spell three times a day
Arcane Gun spellslinger ability (this ability won't give me spells, just the ability to cast the one spell three times a day through my gun).
P.S. The Rynjin class builder won't let me duplicate. I'll try it on chrome Won't work on chrome either.
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I deleted html view from the end of the url, and it worked.
Fantastic! I saw your character before and was hoping you'd stick with us, I like your character, are you going the route of group buffs? What did you have in mind as we advance?
Also, Wolf has asked that we link to our specials, traits, etc. on our sheet since we're all taking these from ALL OVER the place. I have to admit I'm not sure where to find all your abilities. Would be great to get a better understanding of your capabilities.
Yup, what Bastion said.
Olaf, we will be based from Pathfinder. Look at any class table, look under special, there are lots to choose from. The real question is what do you want to play? This game is really not built for full casters but if someone wants to do it I have a plan. Your level for casting is double your highest spell you are able to cast. The next purchase would be 5 blue crystals for 2nd level casting according to your class. Then you will have to find out in game what the next requirement will be. It starts like the spells of your chosen class.
If you buy Rage as one of your specials, you gain it as a 1st level barbarian. If you want to be able to rage more you buy it with crystals. You will learn quickly how to buy them in game.
At creation you can get any special as long as it is below level 5. So to my limited knowledge of the paladin class, I believe you can buy those four specials at creation. Does the special have a normal requirement? Perhaps having a high enough charisma score, then yes it has that kind of prerequisite. Update - Holy Champion would not work at creation and would not be open until you created or found a white crystal.
Fantastic! I saw your character before and was hoping you'd stick with us, I like your character, are you going the route of group buffs? What did you have in mind as we advance?
Also, Wolf has asked that we link to our specials, traits, etc. on our sheet since we're all taking these from ALL OVER the place. I have to admit I'm not sure where to find all your abilities. Would be great to get a better understanding of your capabilities.
Johton is pretty good at giving orders and thinking tactically. between bardic performance and tactician, I can give out decent bonuses, and I took a power from a prestige class (specifically the student of war prestige class) which lets me swap my dex for my int for ac.
Legoguy, bomb (check), what spell?, where are you getting the arcane spells linger from? If you want the gun to cast only lightning bolt 3/day I would be fine with that as one special, then again what do you envision down the road?
Yumeakira, gunsmith would work just as it says. The projectile ammunition amount likely would be dependent on the gun. 50 rounds should be good. Though I would be fine with you having a magical ammo box or an ability that produces ammo, this of course would take a full round and the rounds would only be active for a short period of time. Of course with the gunsmith feat you can make rounds.
So start with a single pistol and 50 bullets and powder (or paper cartridges?).
would i be proficient with it? firearms under normal golarion setting are exotic.
torn between getting light armor or trading it for Monk AC.
I've been putting some thought into what I want to build, and so far I've decided on either some sort of healer type that uses an assortment of random SLAs or bat or boar skinwalker with brute form, rage and monks unarmed strike. The second one would have to stack up tons of hit dice though because that -4 AC really hurts. Anyways, now that I know we can use anything up to level five I might end up coming up with something else entirely.
So start with a single pistol and 50 bullets and powder (or paper cartridges?).
would i be proficient with it? firearms under normal golarion setting are exotic.
torn between getting light armor or trading it for Monk AC.
Yes either of those. You would be proficient with the first weapon you use. You would be proficient with pistol, this would be an exception for exotic weapon. You can use crystals to gain more proficiencies or slowly learn them.
Now that I think about it, I might go with a different class. let me play around with the character creation rules (which are somewhat different than the last time around) and I'll get something posted.
Arcturas Advent here, and this is my submission. I ended up going with the broad side of the barn build that has to take a nap for a couple of minutes after every fight.
@Vrog check out what I wrote before about levelling and scaling
Bastion The Flaming Juggernaut wrote:
Things that scale with level normally don't, NOTHING scales, you need to buy them again to increase them f.x. you need to keep buying "sneak attack" to improve it, each purchase adds +1d6.
As a "tank" fx. I'll be buying +HP and +Con far more frequently than it would scale with levelling in regular play. When you guys might have 3 hit dice, I might be at 6, at the detriment of my BAB, specials or saves maybe. You might however choose to be at +5d6 sneak attack while only at +3 BAB.
@Illian
hahaha wow I thought I was pushing it with Ifrit, but I guess a rampaging werebat is the next best thing since we don't have manbearpig.
Do you really want Bloodrage AND Rage? You know they don't automatically scale with "level", you'll need to buy Rage again to use it for 2 extra rounds, then buy Bloodrage again to use that for 2 extra rounds.
I'm also going to make a wild guess and say GM Wolf will not allow "double rage", simply because you are either "raged" or not. Furthermore, the Bloodrage special states "Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects." I find it best not to "rollplay", but rather "roleplay" as the GM's word is law, if you roll a 20 and he says you miss, then you miss, end of discussion, he's not a moderator for a system, he's the GAME MASTER.
Find something you would enjoy playing, cobble it together out of any classes you can find. But it is rarely a good idea to try to "game the system" when the GM can just say "that doesn't make sense to me, I'm not going to allow it". I'm not saying a werebat unarmed rager is a bad idea though, you might wanna tweak it for less min-maxing.
@Vrog check out what I wrote before about levelling and scaling
Bastion The Flaming Juggernaut wrote:
Things that scale with level normally don't, NOTHING scales, you need to buy them again to increase them f.x. you need to keep buying "sneak attack" to improve it, each purchase adds +1d6.
As a "tank" fx. I'll be buying +HP and +Con far more frequently than it would scale with levelling in regular play. When you guys might have 3 hit dice, I might be at 6, at the detriment of my BAB, specials or saves maybe. You might however choose to be at +5d6 sneak attack while only at +3 BAB.
@Illian
hahaha wow I thought I was pushing it with Ifrit, but I guess a rampaging werebat is the next best thing since we don't have manbearpig.
Do you really want Bloodrage AND Rage? You know they don't automatically scale with "level", you'll need to buy Rage again to use it for 2 extra rounds, then buy Bloodrage again to use that for 2 extra rounds.
I'm also going to make a wild guess and say GM Wolf will not allow "double rage", simply because you are either "raged" or not. Furthermore, the Bloodrage special states "Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects." I find it best not to "rollplay", but rather "roleplay" as the GM's word is law, if you roll a 20 and he says you miss, then you miss, end of discussion, he's not a moderator for a system, he's the GAME MASTER.
Find something you would enjoy playing, cobble it together out of any classes you can find. But it is rarely a good idea to try to "game the system" when the GM can just say "that doesn't make sense to me, I'm not going to allow it". I'm not saying a werebat unarmed rager is a bad idea though, you might wanna tweak it for less min-maxing.
Yes, but that doesn't explain how you're buying things, or how much a purchase gives you.
Suppose I buy smite evil. Do I buy it again to make it scale? How much does it scale by? 1lvl? Next time I get smite evil? What about the toughness feat? Do I buy it again for +1hp?
Legoguy, bomb (check), what spell?, where are you getting the arcane spells linger from? If you want the gun to cast only lightning bolt 3/day I would be fine with that as one special, then again what do you envision down the road?
Arcane Gun doesn't grant spells by itself, so I have to spend another special to buy one spell. (like lightning bolt 3/day).
) then I could only cast lightning bolt 3/day. Sorry if that was unclear.
Special spending during character creation(might change)
Bomb
Lightning bolt 3/day
Arcane Gun
Yes, but that doesn't explain how you're buying things, or how much a purchase gives you.
Suppose I buy smite evil. Do I buy it again to make it scale? How much does it scale by? 1lvl? Next time I get smite evil? What about the toughness feat? Do I buy it again for +1hp?
Each purchase of it scales it by 1 level, as in my sample of buying Sneak Attack repeatedly. If you buy Smite Evil 6 times, you're using it as lvl 6. If something is underpowered the GM would just adjust it.
I don't think there's any confusion about the Toughness feat.
The Toughness feat says "You gain +3 hit points. For every Hit Die you possess beyond 3, you gain an additional +1 hit point."
It doesn't talk about level, you start with 1 hit dice, you can buy +hit dice as you gain crystals. I think this one is self-explanatory.
That wasn't what you said the last time around, though.
Bastion The Flaming Juggernaut wrote:
During the course of playing you gain "Crystals", trade in a crystal for a special, +1 BAB, +save, +feat, +HP, +stats etc. (see Campaign Info for exact value of each). Things that scale with level normally don't, NOTHING scales, you need to buy them again to increase them f.x. you need to keep buying "sneak attack" to improve it, each purchase adds +1d6.
Which is why I'm confused. So far, different rules for it has been suggested, with no clear theme or guideline for what's right and what's not.
That wasn't what you said the last time around, though.
Bastion The Flaming Juggernaut wrote:
During the course of playing you gain "Crystals", trade in a crystal for a special, +1 BAB, +save, +feat, +HP, +stats etc. (see Campaign Info for exact value of each). Things that scale with level normally don't, NOTHING scales, you need to buy them again to increase them f.x. you need to keep buying "sneak attack" to improve it, each purchase adds +1d6.
Which is why I'm confused. So far, different rules for it has been suggested, with no clear theme or guideline for what's right and what's not.
I don't see any contradictory examples or statements, maybe it's just because I wrote it. Please elaborate on what is confusing you so I can fix it in the text for others or make it clear for you.
The first one said that each upgrade would give +1d6 damage on sneak attack. Then the next post said that each upgrade would give you +1 level for the purpose of the ability.
Sneak attack is gained at odd levels, not every level, so the two contradict.
If we follow option 1, buying sneak attack 4 times would get you 4d6 sneak attack. If we follow option 2, buying sneak attack 4 times would let you sneak attack as a 4th level rogue, which is 2d6 sneak attack.
If we use option 1, we also don't know what the characters 'effective rogue level' is supposed to be for stuff like improved uncanny dodge.
As for something like improved uncanny dodge itself, which is entirely dependant on effectiveit seems very unfair that someone would have to buy it multiple times for it to work.
It also seems strange that you'd take something like Cure Serious Wounds multiple times, just to gain extra caster levels.
The first one said that each upgrade would give +1d6 damage on sneak attack. Then the next post said that each upgrade would give you +1 level for the purpose of the ability.
Sneak attack is gained at odd levels, not every level, so the two contradict.
If we follow option 1, buying sneak attack 4 times would get you 4d6 sneak attack. If we follow option 2, buying sneak attack 4 times would let you sneak attack as a 4th level rogue, which is 2d6 sneak attack.
If we use option 1, we also don't know what the characters 'effective rogue level' is supposed to be for stuff like improved uncanny dodge.
As for something like improved uncanny dodge itself, which is entirely dependant on effectiveit seems very unfair that someone would have to buy it multiple times for it to work.
It also seems strange that you'd take something like Cure Serious Wounds multiple times, just to gain extra caster levels.
AH! I see the confusion here, thanks for clarifying this for me.
Each purchase of Sneak Attack improves it by +1d6.
Each purchase of an ability will enhance it to the next "step".
You would have to buy Uncanny Dodge a second time to get Improved Uncanny Dodge. But about the "4 levels higher" part, that would just be GMs discretion whether the individual is that much more powerful than the "Rogue".
I think you're getting caught too much up in the nuts and bolts mechanics of the system. This is all experimental. This is a story where the PCs are the protagonists, the GM will not make it too hard for us to succeed in our tasks nor too easy. The exact +3 or +7 of the matter is inconsequential to the story.
I've got to admit I'm not 100% sure about the spell side. He'll make sure you're not s%*!, if you are, he'll tweak it till you're not. You can also assume that if you're way more powerful than the party through some min-maxing he'll adjust for that as well and tweak you till you're not.
hahaha wow I thought I was pushing it with Ifrit, but I guess a rampaging werebat is the next best thing since we don't have manbearpig.
Do you really want Bloodrage AND Rage? You know they don't automatically scale with "level", you'll need to buy Rage again to use it for 2 extra rounds, then buy Bloodrage again to use that for 2 extra rounds.
I'm also going to make a wild guess and say GM Wolf will not allow "double rage", simply because you are either "raged" or not. Furthermore, the Bloodrage special states "Bloodrage counts as the barbarian's rage class feature for the purpose of feat prerequisites, feat abilities, magic item abilities, and spell effects." I find it best not to "rollplay", but rather "roleplay" as the GM's word is law, if you roll a 20 and he says you miss, then you miss, end of discussion, he's not a moderator for a system, he's the GAME MASTER.
Find something you would enjoy playing, cobble it together out of any classes you can find. But it is rarely a good idea to try to "game the system" when the GM can just say "that doesn't make sense to me, I'm not going to allow it". I'm not saying a werebat unarmed rager is a bad idea though, you might wanna tweak it for less min-maxing.
Heh, I had a feeling taking both rage and bloodrage would be controversial, considering before unchained rules they wouldn't stack since they were both morale bonuses. Either way, I didn't really think this was minmaxing because it's not the optimal way for me to do what I wanted to do, for instance I could have taken enlarge person as an SLA instead of Brute Form from the Vigilante Brute archetype. That way I would have actually got size bonuses, not had to potentially attack my allies and not become fatigued after every use. Not to mention I would have enlarged weapons that way which would free up a slot to use on something more useful than Unarmed Strike, which I would probably have put into something like Jotun Grip because nothing says nice to meet you like dual wielding large greatswords. Then couple that with Ragebred Skinwalker which gets multiple feats that synergize with rage...
As it is though I don't have any armour proficiency leaving me with 12 AC when not raging and an unmissable 6 AC when I am, then on top of that I take three stacks of exhaustion (therefore just knocking me out completely) when I stop raging. Then there's also the fact that I have to increase rage and bloodrage separately, like you mentioned. So if anything I think it's more maxminned than minmaxed. I mean, there is no doubt in my mind that this is a bad build and I will probably just die off in the first fight due to being unmissable. But yeah, I'll definately change one of the rages if I need to, it was never my intention to build something minmaxy/unfun. My main goal was to build something hillarious that left half the party scratching their head and the other half asking if I was insane. Plus if I got rid of one of the rages I could start working on White Hair sooner so that eventually I'll be able to grab/constrict people and fly around with them then chuck them out of the sky.
I think some people might not be getting the spirit of this. This isn't about RULEplaying, it's about roleplaying.
You are getting the opportunity to mix and match anything you want. Time for that dual-pistol-wielding-lightning-shooting-no-armor-bullet-dodgeing guy you always wanted to make ;)...the GM will give you a magical box so you never run out of bullets even, because running out of bullets wouldn't make the game fun
Figure out "who" you want to be,"what" you want to do and "how".
Not "I want to get +2 BAB every level, at least twice the normal fort save of equal level character with maxed intimidate to give enemies at -2 attack, then stack enough..."
I wanted to make an MMO-style tank, I wanted to wear big armor, carry a big shield, be hard to kill and protect my party. I wanted a big focus on my shield, armor second. I would also need some ways to keep enemies off my party..
For this I chose some abilities from Sacred Shield to give a party buff and from Unbreakable to keep me "hard to kill". I get some stuff from other paladin classes to fill in gaps where I feel I'm missing with time as well as from Shielded Fighter . As I read through races I thought an Ifrit would be cool, big horns and bronze colored. The affinity to fire had lead to blacksmithing and the blacksmithing to the huge armor choices. IRL he would be someone that liked to protect people, but couldn't in real life so he chose to do it in video games.
Whether these exact abilities give me the highest bonuses I need, I don't know. I do know GM Wolf doesn't want to kill us so he won't send anything at us we can't overcome.
Heh, I had a feeling taking both rage and bloodrage would be controversial, considering before unchained rules they wouldn't stack since they were both morale bonuses. Either way, I didn't really think this was minmaxing because it's not the optimal way for me to do what I wanted to do, for instance I could have taken enlarge person as an SLA instead of Brute Form from the Vigilante Brute archetype. That way I would have actually got size bonuses, not had to potentially attack my allies and not become fatigued after every use. Not to mention I would have enlarged weapons that way which would free up a slot to use on something more useful than Unarmed Strike, which I would probably have put into something like...
Ok sorry for this I thought you weren't clear on the leveling or buying each rage. My bad.
But as you said, you have 7 rounds of fighting in you at Ac 6, then you pass out and will most likely be killed if you weren't already. Its an interesting concept on paper, but do you think this character will be enjoyable to play? Do you think there's a chance he'll live for more than 3-4 combat encounters?
Ok sorry for this I thought you weren't clear on the leveling or buying each rage. My bad.
But as you said, you have 7 rounds of fighting in you at Ac 6, then you pass out and will most likely be killed if you weren't already. Its an interesting concept on paper, but do you think this character will be enjoyable to play? Do you think there's a chance he'll live for more than 3-4 combat encounters?
My concept is a first time MMO player who has no idea what they are doing so I thought it was appropriate to play someone who started out useless most of the time but then occassionally flipped out and started bashing faces in. But yeah, using both rages on every encounter is not a good idea, I don't see myself doing that till either I have enough rounds of rage that I can make it last, or we are up against a single target boss type enemy that we need to burn down.
Although I do hope I don't die right off the bat, I would not be surprised if it happened. So if (and when) that happens, whelp.. Just have to hope I had fun up till then.
