The "real" Agathion Subdomain


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The Agathion subdomain as described in the Advanced Player's Guide should more properly be called the Angel subdomain- the aura of protection is a power of angels, not agathion. And angels are also the only "major" outsider race without a subdomain of their own.
So I propose to rename the current Agathion subdomain as Angel subdomain, and replace it with this:

Agathion Subdomain

Associated Domain: Good.

Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the holy lance power of the Good domain. Agathions are a race of neutral good outsiders.

Lay on Hands (Su): At 8th level, you can lay on hands as a paladin of 1/2 your cleric level. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 1 every 4 cleric level you possess, plus 1/2 your Charisma bonus (so an 8th-level cleric with Charisma 18 could heal 4d6 hp 4/day). At 12th and 16th level, you can select one mercy to add to this ability, from the list available to a 6th-level paladin.

Replacement Domain Spells: 1st—speak with animals, 3rd—dominate animal, 6th—planar ally (agathions only).

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Wait, is your example correct? If paladin level is 1/2 cleric level, then your paladin level at 8th level is 4th, and your lay on hands should heal 2d6 not 4d6. Right?


Humm... pretty correct. 2d6. My bad.
Here...

Agathion Subdomain

Associated Domain: Good.

Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the holy lance power of the Good domain. Agathions are a race of neutral good outsiders.

Lay on Hands (Su): At 8th level, you can lay on hands as a paladin of 1/2 your cleric level. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 1 every 4 cleric level you possess, plus 1/2 your Charisma bonus (so an 8th-level cleric with Charisma 18 could heal 2d6 hp 4/day). At 12th and 16th level, you can select one mercy to add to this ability, from the list available to a 6th-level paladin.

Replacement Domain Spells: 1st—speak with animals, 3rd—dominate animal, 6th—planar ally (agathions only).

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Seems fine to me, btw :)

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The number of uses / day seems overly fiddly to calculate.

Perhaps just 'a number of times per day equal to 3 + Wisdom modifier' like a standard 1st level cleric domain ability?

Keeping it at half the paladin level for effect (2d6 at 8th level) seems fine.


I would consider making it a bit more bestial, since that's what agathions are. Lay on Hands is fine and all, but you could do cool things with the beast-aspects of agathions.


@Set:
I took inspiration from the Rage subdomain... I could reformulate it as:

You can use this ability twice per day at 8th level, plus 1/2 your Charisma bonus. You gain an additional use per day at 12th, 16th and 20th level.

@Cheapy:
I thought so myself, but I couldn't think to something fit. What would you suggest? Maybe transforming in hybrid animal shape once per day? This would require a lot of calculating, though.


I was thinking something like Aspect of the Beast spell, but modified for all the types of Agathions instead.


This would be great, but a little difficult to calculate! (Maybe we could look at the Dragon subdomain for the different dragon types...)^_^
Or, what do you think of wild empathy as a druid of 1/2 the cleric level? Which of these powers is more appealing?


Ok, what about this?

Agathion Subdomain

Associated Domain: Good.

Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the holy lance power of the Good domain. Agathions are a race of neutral good outsiders.

Blessing of the Wild Form (Su): At 8th level, you can assume an hybrid humanoid/animal form as a swift action, like a shapeshifter ranger, once per day. You must choose one animal form at 8th level, and may change only in this one form. You can remain in this form for a number of rounds equal to your cleric level + your Wisdom modifier. This ability follows all the rules for the shifter's blessing power of the shapeshifter ranger. At 12th level, you gain Powerful Shape as a bonus feat, even if you don't meet the prerequisites for this feat. At 16th level, your hybrid form gains the celestial template. At 20th level, you gain the master shifter power of the shapeshifter ranger for your one hybrid form only (you can never assume a complete beast form).

Replacement Domain Spells: 1st—speak with animals, 3rd—greater animal aspect, 6th—planar ally (agathions only).

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Now you have made the Blessing of the Wild Form more powerful than the other cleric domain abilities. Get rid of the extra abilities gained with levels. I would also remove the restriction for only one form, but instead create unique agathion forms. They would gain some abilities of the agathion, but a weakened version. The abilites and associated could get better with level.

Avoral - gain claws and flight

Cetaceal - gain swim, tail slap, and water breathing

Draconal - breath weapon and divine insight

Leonal - protective aura and roar

Silvanshee - cat's luck, speak with animals, and tiny size

Vulpinal - calm emotions aura and invisibility


That's another good idea. However, since it's a subdomain of Good after all, I guess I'll keep the lay on hands power, but replace the 3rd level spell with greater animal aspect. This seems balanced to me. ^-^


Dotted for future reference.


Thanks. Then, for easiness of reference, this should be the definitive text.

Agathion Subdomain

Associated Domain: Good.
Replacement Power: The following granted power replaces the holy lance power of the Good domain. Agathions are a race of neutral good outsiders.

Lay on Hands (Su): At 8th level, you can lay on hands as a paladin of 1/2 your cleric level. You can use this ability a number of times per day equal to 2 plus 1/2 your Charisma bonus (so an 8th-level cleric with Charisma 18 could heal 2d6 hp 4/day). At 12th, 16th and 20th level, you gain an additional use per day. Moreover, at 12th and 16th level, you can select one mercy to add to this ability, from the list available to a 6th-level paladin.

Replacement Domain Spells: 1st— speak with animals, 3rd— greater animal aspect, 6th— planar ally (agathions only).

However, I bet that we'll see something similar in Blood of Angels soon.

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