DM Tel's Rise of the Runelords

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This is a Rise of the Runelords campaign, loosely adapted for Pathfinder pretty much on the fly.


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Greetings friends and neighbors. Welcome to the Rise of the Runelords Out of Character thread. This is where you can discuss character builds, ask questions, and receive general information outside of the game.

Remember: Limit OOC discussion in the game thread as much as possible. I'll be creating the game thread as soon as all the characters have completed and approved profiles. The link will be posted to this thread.

We will continue normal email correspondance. Anything that needs to be addressed to me specifically can be done there as well. To simplify things, all profiles are aliases to this account.

Character Creation Rules:

1. All stats have thus far already been rolled at the table and will be adhered to.

2. Roll for starting gold according to class.

3. Every PC will have a free rank in a Craft or Profession skill of their choice. With Barbarian as the only exception, both skills are class skills for each class. Barbarians only get craft.

4. Character backgrounds will be required. They can be posted here (using spoiler text if you like) but they also need to be included in the profile.

5. Each character will have a tie or connection to a townmember of Sandpoint. Use the player's guide to assist you in choosing one of those townspeople. Also keep in mind that each character should begin game with a secret, a mystery, or a problem.

6. You may choose two traits from any Pathfinder source or one of the feats from the RotR Player's Guide. They may have to be modified for the pathfinder system. If so, we'll discuss it either here or via email.

That's all I've got for now. Let me know if you have any questions.


Hi DM!

Tulip's biography is below. I took full advantage of the information you sent us about Sandpoint and you'll also see I took your suggestions. I hope I didn't overstep myself in anyway. Let me know what you think!

Tulip (Rogue)

Spoiler:

Tulip Highgarden is a farmer's daughter who has lived her whole life on a farm a league from Sandpoint. With four older brothers and her father doing the lion's share of the work (her mother died when she was very small) she's often left to her own devices, especially since she burns food whenever she cooks and breaks things whenever she cleans.

Tulip is the consumate wild child, disobediant, disrespectful and an all around nuissance to her family. As a result her father and brothers humor her and go out of their way to keep her well appeased for fear of the outcry that would otherwise result.

Despite her wildness Tulip has a good heart. She just doesn't have the patience for tedious tasks. She only has a faint memory of her mother, who she loves with desperate longing, and even when she's in the midst of causing trouble she is often almost overwhelmed with guilt, knowing what a disappointment she might have been if her mother had been alive to see her.

That doesn't stop her from getting into trouble at every opportunity, however. After a childhood of running wild amongst the hills and forests that surround her family's stead, in the past few years she has taken to devoting her time to Sandpoint, finding the people there (and their belongings) to be endlessly fascinating. She began to ride in with her brothers or father whenever they had reason to visit and even snuck back to town on her own from time to time.

Tulip's slight size and eagerness to snoop and pry into business that doesn't involve her eventually landed her in the potential for real trouble; she began taking on small jobs for the Sczarni, mainly as a lookout and distraction. Tulip's curiosity has gotten the best of her, however, and she's seen things she'd rather she hadn't. As a result she's trying to find a way to back out of her accomodations with the Sczarni, burdened by guilt and fear from getting in over her head.

Secret:

Tulip saw Lonjiku speaking to a strange man. Lonjiku looked worried and argued briefly with the stranger before nodding and walking away, his face lined with concern. Just a few hours ago she saw him leaving a ladder setup against the wall in the cemetary. She's afraid something bad is about to happen but doesn't know what to do about it.

Connection:

I think Tulip ought to have a lot of connections in town, but the obvious one is Lonjiku; she knows a lot more about him than she should and that's an uncomfortable connection for her. Maybe someone else in the Sczarni? Let me know what you think.

Starting Gold: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 3, 4) = 14 x 10 = 140 gp


Korum is a town guardsman who has only recently begun to work for Sheriff Hemlock. He has some difficulty getting along with the Sheriff thus far as the rare need for his physical prowess in battle makes the dwarf so bored that he spends too much time on duty drinking from a few waterskins filled with ale.

He's good with training with the militia, however, and is generally reliable which is why Hemlock hasn't fired his broad ass yet. Korum is trying to keep employment long enough to have the funds to start his own adventuring company, ideally to venture into the wilds in search of giants, who he has hated with a dwarven passion his entire life. His hatred stems from an encounter with giants as a young dwarf that led to the death of his elder brother. He remembers little of that ordeal but has nurtured a hatred for the race ever since, a hatred fostered by his father.

Despite his rashness, Korum is well known and liked in Sandpoint. He enjoys an evening at the Rusty Dragon, always trying to talk Ameiko into either telling stories or joining forces him to create an adventurer's company "that will spawn legends of our glory!"

Mystery:

Lately Korum has been having disturbing dreams. He can’t remember them very clearly, only dim images of large creatures looming over him, and larger objects falling all around him, threatening to smash and crush him. They make him really uncomfortble especially when he wakes up to his cheeks wet with tears. He’s thinking about talking to Father Zantus about the dreams.

Starting gold: 5d6 ⇒ (5, 1, 3, 1, 2) = 12 x 10 = 120 gp
Not much gold to start with. Hmm.

Free Rank: Profession Guard
Friends with Ameiko at the Rusty Dragon.
Traits are undecided.


Looks good so far, both of you. Individual comments are found in the spoilers below

Tulip:

For your connection, how about Jargie Quinn at the Hagfish? He's a rogue with the same alignment and perhaps he had been a friend and mentor of sorts to Tulip until she started spending time with the Sczarni. He would have warned her about associating with them but I can easily see her ignoring him due to the excitement of the dabbling with dangerous waters bit. Now she wants to ask him for help but doesn't want to admit that he was right.

It's up to you, but I thought I'd make the suggestion.

Korum:

Short and simple, it works. I'm going to assume that Hemlock doesn't entirely get along with Korum; the rp will reflect that. Are the dreams and the encounter with the giants connected? If you're open to the possibilities, I think that'd work well.

Looking forward to the backgrounds from you other two!


I'm almost done with my background. Hopefully I'll have it posted in a little while.


And here it is. The bio got to be rather long and petered out in the end the way it usually does when I write these things. Sorry bout that.

Funds: 4d6 ⇒ (4, 6, 4, 6) = 20
Hi ho! 200 gp! Rather appropriate for his background, though I might have to plan to have him donate a thick purse of gold to Sandpoint when the game starts.

He'll take the bonus skill rank in Profession: Merchant, obviously. The only connection I can think of for him is Father Zanthus. Come to think of it, though, maybe he's met one of the other townsfolk during his Merchant days. I'll take another look at the Guide and get back to you.

Traits yet to come.

How a Merchant Was Saved and Became a Servant of Desna:
Weejon Umber was born to a family of giants. Large men and women were born of his mother’s bountiful womb and of his father’s generous seed. Though the Umber family are human, they are all tall, broad and with a boisterous humor and thirst for life to match their sizes.

Weejon, youngest of a brood of seven (three daughters and three other sons) is also the smallest. At a mere 6’6” and 280 pounds, he almost looks dwarfed beside the rest of his kin and had been since his birth (to which his mother once allowed to have been rather grateful for). As a consequence, like all his brothers when he was gifted with his father’s name (Jon) he also earned the prefix of wee. His other brothers are likewise known as Brightjon, Loudjon and Greatjon (7’6” and over 450 pounds) respectively.

The Umbers were a merchant family that dealt largely in wood. Firstjon, the patriarch, was descended three generations removed from a great lumberjack who felled an entire forest using his own great forearms and axe (or so the legend tells it). The sons that followed focused on selling the wood and eventually aligning with men who could make something of it until they no longer cut wood but spent their lives providing it for profit in all it’s many forms.

Weejon may not have had the size of his siblings but he had their appetites and such appetites must be fed with coin. So upon reaching his age of maturity he threw himself into the family business and travelled throughout Varisia making himself and his family ever wealthier.

For thirty three years Weejon had lived a life of luxury, gluttony and greed, believing all the while that his work must be pleasing Abadar -- at least on the rare occasion when he gave any thought to the gods. If asked which of the gods might favor him, he’d have certainly spoken of Abadar.

So it was a complete surprise when Desna stepped into his life and took him for her own. On a perfectly routine trip from Korvosa to Magnimar, Weejon and his men were struck by bandits in such a sudden, ferocious attack that they were caught entirely unaware. Before Weejon could realize what happened, his men were dead and a large Shoanti warrior was charging at him. He never saw the spear thrust and scarcely felt it as little more than a great force against his gut. The world wheeled above him and he lost consciousness before hitting the ground.

When Weejon woke at first he didn’t know what he was seeing. The world seemed to be filtered through shifting sheets of gossamer silks. As he tried to sit up, some of the silks shifted and he realized he was looking up at the sky through a cloud of butterflies. As he bent his legs underneath him, agony ripped through his midsection. He looked down to see the broken shaft of a spear rising from his stomach. Blood was everywhere and ever breath he took brought the agony back.

Without thinking, Weejon gripped the spearhaft, groaning with pain, and pulled. The world seemed to dim to a fuzzy red and black but then the shaft came free and he felt the well of blood pour out of him. He fell back, gasping and sobbing in pain and despair as his life poured out of him. It was then that he saw the butterflies, a cloud of them that had been dancing and whirling around him while he pulled at the shaft. They streamed down and landed on the wound, pressing tightly. He tried to swipe at them with one hand but another cloud danced over his hand and eyes, distracting him long enough to press tightly against his wound once more.

Weak from blood loss and pain, Weejon fell limp, expecting to die. Instead he found himself growing stronger. The pain eased until it was little more than a throbbing ache.

In disbelief, Weejon slowly raised himself back up on his elbow and looked down at his stomach again. The wound was packed full with small, brightly colored butterflies. Every now and then the wings would stir or a butterfly would lift away and be replaced with another.

There was something about the way they clung there that stirred an old memory. One of the gods was known for butterflies. A woman, he thought. The lucky lady? It seemed impossible to believe but as his strength returned to him and the pain continued to numb, he became more convinced. These butterflies were agents of a god.

Moving with deliberate caution, Weejon found that he was able to get to his feet again. The bodies of his men and several of their horses were all around him. His clothes had been slashed into ribbons by a knife as the bandits robbed him. Slowly, Weejon began to make his way down the road.

It took him hours to get to the nearest village and there were times when he came near to collapse. Once he had to sit again as he grew dizzy and the ground and sky began to flipflop around him. He was very careful about the butterflies who continued to cling to him, shifting in slow dazzling movements. But eventually he made it, though he could hardly walk.

Wonders didn’t cease; the village had a visiting cleric of Desna staying at the house of the elder. When the local folk called the cleric to help, he took one look at Weejon and immediately hurried forth to lay his hands on him. ”Desna saved you,” he murmured as he filled Weejon’s body with the warm energy of his goddess’ blessing. It seemed that hundreds of butterflies lifted away from Weejon’s belly to flutter around the heads of priest and merchant alike. Forever after, the skin of Weejon’s belly was marked by a mosaic of colors in the shapes of butterfly wings.

He was marked in another way by his near-death. Though Weejon had always been a hearty, strong man who could lift chests of gold or f%$%~*s of would that any ordinary man could scarcely shift, he discovered soon after that most of his strength had left him. He was still tall and broad of figure but now he was no different than any other.

He did not let that discovery disturb him, however. He recognized a gift when he saw it and he did not intend to waste it. Right there, before the small clergyman who had healed him, Weejon took his oaths to serve Desna as she saw fit, for all his remaining years to come. He journeyed immediately to Magnimar, forsook his fortune and place and committed himself to the church of Desna where he has served for the last 11 months.

Now he has come to Sandpoint to witness the opening of the town’s new church. He is a stranger to the town but already welcomed by Father Zanthus as a friend and looks forward to the ceremony to come.

Uncertain Destiny:

Weejon is a man haunted by the fortune granted him by his goddess. When he first committed himself to the life of serving Desna, he expected that he’d soon learn why he had been saved by her and did his best to be a model clergyman. As the days turned to weeks, the weeks to months and the month into near a year, he returned to drinking, whoring and gambling when the answers did not come. He’s still as committed to Desna as he ever was but the lack of direction has been disappointing. When his superior suggested that he visit Sandpoint’s reconsecration, he accepted gladly in hopes that his purpose might be found there. Or at the very least, he’d broaden his horizons and discover some new whores to while away the time with.


Looks good, Weejon. I don't mind the length as long as there's content there and you have plenty of that.

You should definitely take a look at the Player's Guide and the Sandpoint expanded info I made out. I'm sure there's another NPC Weejon would know in his days. You've got lots of options.

Spoiler:

The bit with Weejon's low strength was a particularly nice touch. It's weird to see a cleric that's so intelligent but I think you can do some interesting things with that. Looking forward to the character!

How's it coming, Baster?


Formerly Baster here. I'm still working on the character bio. I realized that part of the problem was the name; my original plan for Baster Halfbreed pretty much set him up to be an outsider. I'm not sure I really wanted to do it that way so I've gone with something totally different. I'll have to see how that works.

In the meantime, I can at least roll for starting gold.

2d6 ⇒ (2, 5) = 7
x 10
70 gold which is average.


No problem, Tuck/ Baster. There's plenty of time to work that out. Send me email if you need any advice/ suggestions.


I'm guessing everyone's busy reading Ultimate Combat, eh?


So...much...fighter...goodness!

I'm glad you were having us focus on the bio first so that character builds can come after Ultimate Combat comes out because, man. It's got a lot of good stuff. I can't decide whether or not I want to do an archetype now.


Most of my character sheet is complete. I just need to get the profile updated. Ultimate Combat didn't have a lot for me.


There certainly is a lot to consider. I'm kind of disappointed now that no one is playing a monk. I'm tempted to invite MW in to play, he wanted to play a monk soon, I think.


MW is a good player but he's kind of busy, isn't it? Besides, I thought you wanted to stick with four players.

Weejon is almost complete. I'm down to selecting equipment and feats. The feat selection is getting ridiculous these days. At this rate, it'll be as bad as 3.5 in another year.


Aside from equipment, I have everything chosen out. I do still want to update my profile to better reflect things according to your format, Tel, but the Hero Lab profile is included already.

Equipment is needed but just in terms of minor things. Regardless, I am ready when you are.


My hero lab sheet is in my profile as well. I still need to adapt everything to the profile format. It's a real pain you know.


Good to hear. How are Korum and Tuck coming?


Aside from formatting, Tuck is ready to go. I finally finished the background today. After that, the character build was actually pretty easy.

I'm glad no one is optimizing. That makes the character build a much more enjoyable experience for me.

Sandpoint Contacts: Tuck is well acquainted with Shalelu and Ameiko. I suspect it'd make sense for him to know Tulip as well. Not so sure about Korum.

Tuck's Mystery:

Tuck doesn't yet know what's going on with him and his sorcery. He's conflicted with wanting to find someone to talk to and being afraid of what they'd tell himm. So in the beginning of the game, that's the big issue that's weighing on his mind.


A'right, I did what everyone else did. Calculated everything in Hero Lab, dropped the bbcode in the profile and called it good; for today. I'll eventually clean up the formatting too.


Your background is looking good, Tuck. I especially like how you worked yourself into the town history. He still came off kind of isolated though.

The mystery is definitely something that'll be fun to see play out in the game. I'm looking forward to the roleplay in a big way.

So everyone is looking pretty good. I still highly recommend you guys transfer your Hero Lab details into the format I set-up for you. I'm not planning on starting the game this weekend anyway; it'll probably be sometime next week.

DM Dice:

4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 2, 5) = 18 16
4d6 ⇒ (3, 1, 6, 3) = 13 12
4d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 6, 6) = 20 17
4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 3, 5) = 18 15
4d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 2, 2) = 10 9
4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 5, 5) = 13 12

Pretty good set. That 9 is rough though. Charisma dump, as usual.


Almost done updating the profile. I just need to locate the encumbrance totals and how much gold I have remaining and it'll be complete.


Looks like you're good to go, Korum. Just add in the gold when you get a chance.


Profile updated. Just missing very minor details, not relevant to play.


Weejon is ready too!


I'm all set. Let's see what's waiting for us in Sandpoint.


Excellent! I'll do what I can to get the first post together soon.


And we're up! You'll find the game thread right here.


I really don't mean to be a pain in the arse or ruin anyone's fun but is there any way we can move on to the main campaign? I appreciate what you're trying to do with the rp as a sort of prologue but I'm finding that roleplaying at this level to be not nearly as enjoyable as doing it at the table might be.

I'm likely alone in this but I'd just as soon Korum did his own thing and didn't have much else to deal with until the campaign gets in full swing.


Korum: I certainly appreciate your feedback. I think your concern is a justified one particularly given how much work I put into the speeches which I weren't entirely satisfied with.

One of the things I'm trying to do here is put together an ingame reason for the four of you to come together. I could just as easily make it happenstance, of course, but given that not all of you are fully equipped for combat, it'd be nice if you're together in more ways than just chance when the s%*% hits the fan.

Incidentally, Korum, I'm happy to keep you out of things but I did just sort of set in motion a plot to involve you with Tuck and Tulip in a way that each PC pretty effectively supported rather naturally. If you like, however, I can make you essentially unavailable.

Actually, I'll send email to that effect just in case you don't see this post in time.

The rest of y'all: If you'd like to step aside and let things 'fastforward' as our old DM used to put it, let me know.


Just waiting on Weejon at this point.


Oh man, all three PCs missed that first goblin? If I had anticipated that, I might not have set-up the thing with the kid.

Damn.


Holy crap! Things have sure taken a bad turn. I'm starting to fear for this particular campaign.

Sure you want to be a sorcerer, Tuck? I think we need a wizard now...


Boy, the dice roller is really not working for you guys. I can't believe Tulip's two 20s were followed by 1s. That's just wrong.

Tulip: Unfortunately, Weejon already took the space you wanted so I put you in E26 instead. Sadly, that does mean that it doesn't suffer the sneak attack damage but you're still the first to actually wound the critter. Also, bear in mind that you already threw your dagger and technically you had no way to move, draw, and attack in the first round. I'm assuming that you drew both daggers at the same time in the earlier round but you'll need to keep an eye on this in the future.


I'm sorry for my mistake! You're absolutely right...I'll try to do better in the future.


Well we're all a little rusty, including me so don't worry about it Tulip.

I have to say, the ease of the dice roller is the main reason I wanted to try this out here but so far it's been brutal to you guys. I hope it doesn't stay that way.


Okay, gang, we're getting ready to start up again now that vacations, new jobs and business trips are starting to clear up. I'll give you guys a little more time to discuss things before we move on.


Okay, so it's been over six months at this point since we put the campaign on hold to wait for the release of the updated campaign book. I'd initially thought that it was going to be released by now and we'd get started again. Since it's not, why don't we go ahead and think about a different campaign?

Serpent's Skull, Carrion Crown and Skulls and Shackles are all possible campaigns. Vote your preference, roll your stats, and let me know what you're thinking about in terms of characters.

Stat roll:

#1: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 3, 3) = 15 = 12
#2: 4d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 3, 4) = 14 = 12
#3: 4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 6, 1) = 15 = 14
#4: 4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 1, 1) = 9 = 8
#5: 4d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 1, 5) = 9 = 8
#6: 4d6 ⇒ (6, 1, 4, 3) = 14 = 13

Ouch: Got hammered with the two 8's in a roll.

Edit to add: Don't forget your fixed rolls! (Like I did)

Fixed Rolls:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3) = 14
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 1) = 5
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 5) = 11
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 3) = 14
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 2) = 8
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 4) = 15
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 1) = 13

Not bad, all things considered.


More than a little surprising that you want to give it another go, all these months later. Bored lately, amiright?

Haven't you already run Serpent's Skull? They all sound good, but I vote for S&S.

Reg Rolls:

Roll # 1:4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 5, 1) = 12
Roll # 2:4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 2, 3) = 14
Roll # 3:4d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 1, 5) = 12
Roll # 4:4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 4, 2) = 12
Roll # 5:4d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 6, 6) = 14
Roll # 6:4d6 ⇒ (3, 4, 4, 4) = 15

Da fixed ones:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 2) = 8
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 3) = 10
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 1, 6) = 9
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 6) = 11
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 6) = 10
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 6) = 17
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 6) = 15


I'll roll first and then decide which one I'm interested in playing based on that.

Standard:

Roll # 1:4d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 3, 4) = 15 == 13
Roll # 2:4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 4, 3) = 16 == 13
Roll # 3:4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 2, 2) = 11 == 9
Roll # 4:4d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 2, 6) = 19 == 17 (So close!)
Roll # 5:4d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 3, 2) = 10 == 8
Roll # 6:4d6 ⇒ (6, 6, 2, 6) = 20 == 18 (Ta da!)

Fixed:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 2) = 11
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 5) = 12
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3) = 8
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 4) = 13
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 4) = 13
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 2, 5) = 10
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3) = 14

If you let me use my Extra roll to get rid of the 8 or 9 in my standard set, I'll use those as though they're fixed! Too bad I didn't get these when I created Tuck...this would be pretty damned good for that character.

There are too many possibilities to help me make my first choice of AP. I guess if we went with the fixed, I'd probably create a rogue, preferably for S&S. My standard I might apply to a ranger in SS and maybe a cleric in CC. I don't know man, I'm torn.


Korum Tarrickson wrote:
Haven't you already run Serpent's Skull?

I have, but that gives me the advantage because I'm familiar with it.


I don't know about everyone else, but I've wanted to play Serpent's Skull since you first mentioned it as an option. I wanted to play it last year.

Old Style:

Roll # 1:4d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 3, 4) = 17 -> 14
Roll # 2:4d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 5, 5) = 16 -> 14
Roll # 3:4d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 3, 2) = 14 -> 12
Roll # 4:4d6 ⇒ (5, 4, 2, 1) = 12 -> 11
Roll # 5:4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 6, 5) = 17 -> 14
Roll # 6:4d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 1, 2) = 9 -> 8

How disappointing! I was real excited at first until I realized how high the lowest rolls were.

Geezer Style:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 2) = 10
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 1) = 7
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 2, 6) = 10
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 6) = 12
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 6, 2) = 11
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 4) = 7
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3) = 14

Why is my Extra dice the highest of the bunch? And two 7s? That's no fair. *pout*


Regular Rolls:

Roll # 1:4d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 2, 3) = 12 10
Roll # 2:4d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 4, 1) = 13 12
Roll # 3:4d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 4, 4) = 14 11
Roll # 4:4d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 6, 5) = 19 16
Roll # 5:4d6 ⇒ (5, 5, 6, 5) = 21 16
Roll # 6:4d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 3, 5) = 19 16

Hoo- 3 16s in a roll, what're the odds of that?

Fixed Rolls:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 4) = 12
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 1, 1) = 7
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 5) = 7
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 6) = 8
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (3, 5, 6) = 14
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 2, 2) = 9
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 5) = 11

This one is not looking good for the likes o' me. Come to think of it, it's not even feasible is it? Here's another set:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 5, 5) = 16
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 5, 3) = 12
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (5, 5, 5) = 15
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 3) = 11
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 3) = 10
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 2) = 8
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 3, 4) = 8

Much the better!

I haven't looked at the Player's Guides for the other games yet. How about I consider my rolls, look at the guides and then I'll make my vote? A'course, since you're already familiar with Serpent's Skull, that might make the most sense.


That's an interesting set of scores you guys have right there. Everyone but Korum (and, well, me) have decent normal rolls and everyone but Tulip have good Fixed Rolls.

Effective Costs:

Me: 8 / 19
Korum: 9 / 20 or 19
Tuck: 34 / 14
Tulip: 17 / 4
Weejon: 33 / 18

Weejon appears to have had the most luck, particularly since he did poorly enough on his first fixed rolls to get a re-roll set. Tulip overall got the worst in the two sets combined.

Whereas Korum seems to be the lone loser in the first set, both Tuck and Tulip were on the lower end of the fixed but even Tuck's second set was better than Korum's first. The scores on the fixed set were closer overall except for Tulip's spectacular bad set. Actually, technically Tulip earned a re-roll. Tulip, if you want to re-roll your Fixed sets, feel free.

Does anyone have any particular feelings about which set you want to use? Obviously, a few of you did really well with the first, unfixed sets (Tuck and Weejon especially). If we went with the unfixed rolls, I'd be inclined to allow Korum to use his fixed rolls instead, though he'd be able to assign the values anywhere he wanted. Tulip, I'd also let you replace your 8 with the EXTRA roll of 14, which would raise you up to 24 in cost.

The fixed stats are all definitely doable, except in Tulip's case. Her re-roll might change that, but if not, I'd be inclined to allow her my own fixed rolls in place of them, which would bring her closer to the average. Either way, it'd be a little more challenging for character generation but I'd be interested in seeing what you guys came up with.

Let me know what your thoughts are...if you want to play around with the numbers for a while, feel free. I might even consider letting y'all use whichever set you prefer, though if you go with the fixed set, they must be fixed.

Thoughts, questions, concerns?


I'll take a second chance on the fixed rolls!

Spoiler:

STR: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 6) = 16
DEX: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 2) = 4
CON: 3d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 4) = 14
INT: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 4, 1) = 9
WIS: 3d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 6) = 12
CHR: 3d6 ⇒ (1, 5, 4) = 10
EXTRA: 3d6 ⇒ (2, 5, 6) = 13

Well, that's better, I think. I don't know if it's that much better.

I think players ought to choose for themselves what set of dice to use. I'm fine either way though.


Tulip Highgarden wrote:


Well, that's better, I think. I don't know if it's that much better.

Hey, you're still ahead of me, kid!

The only problem I foresee with everyone using the Fixed Stats is that the majority of us have decent or good Strength scores. That'll lean us heavily toward melee combatants for the group and not allow for quite as much a spread.

As I said before, I'm all for using my non-fixed stats as fixed. I'd certainly prefer those.


Tuck brings up a good point. I'm all for using either set of rolls but for fixed, I'd definitely be going with a melee specialist.

That might be okay though...it'd be the opposite of my RotR character.


Oh, I'd certainly rather have my fixed rolls except...I don't want 'em fixed. I could easily make a good sorcerer with those rolls but I'm not really interested in playing a sorcerer at the moment. Is there anything else that I could effectively make with a high charisma? Bard, I suppose. If I make something strong he'll have a weak constitution. Not a very good compromise.


I'm leaning toward the general preference of going with whatever set you prefer. With the caveat that if you're using your fixed set, they're still fixed.

Korum: I see your point about the fixed set but I still think they should be used as rolled, otherwise it's really just a second set of rolls. As a completely illogical alternative, you can use my fixed set as non-fixed rolls instead of your original, crappy standard set.

Keep thinking about what campaign you guys are most interested in. Serpent's Skull is the easiest for me to prepare for but I agree that it'd be nice to try something brand new. The only problem with the latest one, S&S, is that it's not all out yet so I only have the first book so far. That makes it harder to do a coherent complete campaign, but I think it's still doable.

Carrion Crown also has the challenge of being rp heavy, which may be difficult for pbp. Too bad we don't have time to play it at the table, otherwise that'd be my first pick.


For all my talk about keeping my Standard rolls in their fixed spaces, I've been shuffling the numbers around and doing different things with them. I'm planning on a skillful character, of the ninja/ rogue/ ranger variety.

I'm inclined to vote for Serpent's Skull with the caveat that if you get bored with it, DM, we just switch to soemthing else. I've got lots of ideas for characters.


I might end up playing a sorcerer after all, then. I understand your feelings about keeping the fixed rolls fixed, Tel. Besides, I'm up for a challenge.

I'm going to check the other high charisma classes though, and see if there's something else that appeals to me. I've never played a bard. Course, I'm not sure I'd be any good with one either.

Oracle possible too.

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