Prestige Class Requirements and Skill Ranks

On pg 52 of the Pathfinder book the "Prestige Skills" sidebar states that to qualify for a prestige class requires the number of ranks required in 3.5, minus three, or twice that amount for a cross-class skill. The Prestige Class enhancement doesn't state anything about more ranks in cross-class skills being required. To qualify for a prestige class listed in the enhancement, does it still require twice the listed ranks if a skill is not a class skill?

They should have an example within the same blurb about it.

Basically, if 8 ranks in Disable Device is required then:

If it's a class skill for you, you only need 5 ranks.
If it's a cross-class skill for you, you need 10 ranks.

Perhaps slightly tangential...

I brought this up on an off-board chat room, and was told that that was only in reference to PF characters qualifying for 3.5 PrCs. Moreover (although I'm still unconvinced of this), that PF to PF PrCs are at listed Rank reqs.

I had helped build a PC in my campaign, and with the -3 Ranks, she qualified at 2nd Level. Under the PF to PF ruling (unofficial, though possibly 'Informed'), the character couldn't qualify until 5th.

I, too, am eager to read Jason's clarification on this matter.

Generally, PrCs aren't available until 6th level. Wouldn't it be easier just to set a standard of 5 or 6 ranks for any of the skills required?

How I see it is its 3.5 ranks -3
All the new or redone ones do not use the -3 rules
Also its pure ranks, not counting the +3 from skills or ability mods

That means if it says 5 ranks you need 5 points put into it...Meaning at lest 5th level.

Yes, the conversion rule I stated above only applies to 3.5 prestige classes being used in Pathfinder RPG. Prestige classes created in Pathfinder RPG should not need any conversion.

Yeah, I finally accept that I am wrong.
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I wonder whether the rule shouldn't be invoked after all. It was the skill monkey's equivalent to minimum BAB - something they could get earlier than others.

Yeah, I finally accept that I am wrong.

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Ahem...

Carry on.

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I wonder whether the rule shouldn't be invoked after all. It was the skill monkey's equivalent to minimum BAB - something they could get earlier than others.

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How long did therapy last? ;-P

Kyrinn S. Eis wrote:

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How long did therapy last? ;-P

1.5 years. :S

Certianly the Pathfinder PrCs are using the Pathfinder skill rules so there's no reason for conversion, but do you still need twice the ranks if its cross class?

Generally, PrCs aren't available until 6th level. Wouldn't it be easier just to set a standard of 5 or 6 ranks for any of the skills required?

Would be nice for the standardisation, but limits the 2+int classes from getting into classes with three or more skills needed.

Certianly the Pathfinder PrCs are using the Pathfinder skill rules so there's no reason for conversion, but do you still need twice the ranks if its cross class?

Saurstalk wrote:

Generally, PrCs aren't available until 6th level. Wouldn't it be easier just to set a standard of 5 or 6 ranks for any of the skills required?

Would be nice for the standardisation, but limits the 2+int classes from getting into classes with three or more skills needed.

No more so now then before really, most PrC's that have multiple skills are aimed at the classes that had skills to spend or had the intent of requiring multiclassing with a class that had skill points to enter. If they weren't they had skills with a low number of ranks required and class abilities, or one or two skills with high ranks that you'd basically be taking anyways (casters taking spellcraft, etc). Also don't forget quite a few characters will qualify for an extra skill point from favored class. In our group the skill point is seen as more valuable than the hit point bonus.

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Kyrinn S. Eis wrote:

Former AOL Tech Representative

How long did therapy last? ;-P

1.5 years. :S

That was fast. Others are put in Asylums and are never seen again.

Actually, I know a guy who worked for the AOL hotline. He had a really funny story to tell, but I'm not sure whether I could repeat it here.

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