Against the Silver Flame an eberron Campaign

Game Master Phurs

Lemme say a bit about myself I've been playing d&d in all of its forms since 1978. I've been both a dm and a player in at least 20 tabletop games. 2-3 of which lasted over a year and one of those took 4+ish years. I've played every class, I've moaned and groaned about rules I didn't like. I've played every campaign setting tsr has thrown out of its doors and then some. While I haven't dmed in 11 years or so. Mostly cause of rules I dislike immensely and I've listed those below under house rules. When I finally found a campaign world I like, I couldn't find any players I come on these forums and see people clamoring for eberron and go hmm might be time to try out dming again but that's beside the point. (I play in at least 2 other campaigns at this time along with starting this up.)

Okay I'm interested in everything Eberron and share a strong dislike for the Silver Flame. However you're gonna have to clarify a few things.

- As to the allowed resources I'm a bit confused. Are we talking Pathfinder here or 3.5 or both?

-That Excel sheet makes 0 sense to me and I tried and my day job is interpreting statistics...My main quip being my inability to understand what the combination of Caster level and SPP is supposed to mean.

-What is the difference between SP (Spell Points) and SPP (SpellPowerPoints?) and wouldn't it be far simpler to just use the basic rules on spell points?

1. if 3.5 put before me as i dont all the books
2. what class find letter with class name A,B,C,D,E

OOPS missing a part sorry
A casters who max at 4th lvl spells
B casters who max at 6th lvl spells
C casters who max at 9th lvl spells
D specialist casters " " " 9th " "
E Intuitive spell casters " " " 9th " "

find level look
4th
0
5
9
10
12
SPP

5th
1
8
11
18
20
SPP

6th
1
10
17
24
28
SPP

ok can see how that's confusing caster level is class level in the spell casting class, as sp don't stack between arcane and divine sources

3. sorry my mistake spp should be spb for spell point base to get final sp take spb(spp) add bonus for stat then multiply by total % percentage bonus (between 5% and 20%) or in my campaign 10-25%

reason i did this is spell while powerful can and should be more prevalent in a casters plans (gives leeway and flexibility)!

and the basic is exactly the same as the psion power point cost list
at 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4 which is 344 in base a wizard universalist difference between the 2 is mines 46 more or 380 (not much)

Possibly interested, but I'm also confused, is it 3.5 rule set, or Pathfinder Rule Set?

Possibly interested, but I'm also confused, is it 3.5 rule set, or Pathfinder Rule Set?

Ok I have many 3.5 books and some of 3.0 so I'll allow just about any race and almost all psion classes if I can get the information on it.

Pathfinder is though the primary source of information I'll be using, and conversion from one to the other is fairly easy.

I might be missing it, but what is the starting level for this campaign?

I might be missing it, but what is the starting level for this campaign?

Players may begin at 4th if they choose this option I’ll allow up to 3 racial challenge rating

basically CR 6-7 each individual
Players with standard races may receive some additional bonus of some kind.

Ah, nevermind. I missed your response above mine.

Let's give the dice bot a try:

And as I've stated 6 characters is prime number but if I get enough I'll allow up to 8. Each adventure will be slated for 6 but Ill write the encounters so I can do 8 (with a slight upgrade in competition).

Ah, nevermind. I missed your response above mine.

Nice rolls so that means your array is 17,17,17,14,15,14. WOW did you just roll near perfect or what LOL.

As for races, do you want us to go ahead and draw from races that already have rules for creating player characters,

Such as a Werewolf is CR 2 and a Drow Noble is CR 3.

or will we be using some sort of rules to play more monstrous and/or unstated creatures,

Such as an Imp is CR 2 and a Air Mephit is CR 3.

I could see you being one of the last of the were creatures but your gonna have to keep it from anyone outside the group from finding out. The flame supposedly wiped out all weres in Eberron. I can see revenge being your prime response to doing what your doing.

Unstated or Monsterous races are perfectly acceptable.

I believe he's using the 'Monsters as PCs' rules from the PF Bestiary, given the way he stated it.

So, would an Atomie (CR 1) be acceptable as a player character? CG fey sprite. I could see one wanting to stop the raids into her forest territory. Either a knife adept rogue, or possibly a Druid/Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge (given the recent ruling on spell like abilities counting).

Just to make sure I'm not over stepping before I start, but would you mind if I made an Occultist?

One of the members of one of the campaigns im playing is doing one of the viscious fey races and I think its awesome! (hes a quickling by the way)

Just to make sure I'm not over stepping before I start, but would you mind if I made an Occultist?

Have no problem ive been thru all the classes on the pfsrd20 web page and put only a few classes into no can do for one reason or another.

Just to reiterate and ill give reason behind each one

Not Playable Classes:
Hellenic Sorceress Frankly your getting the same as another class
Deathmage again same as another choice
Dragon Rider Dragons are pets in eberron so cant have this
Malefactor The penalty hurts the party the same as the enemy
Wilder only psion class that's unacceptable why cause its just a watered down psion that's why LOL.

I'll have to wait until I get home to put up more information on what I wish to make considering that is where my books are. Will be allowed to use Dragonmarks?

Perhaps a character sent by his house to help make sure that the raids stop.

I believe he's using the 'Monsters as PCs' rules from the PF Bestiary, given the way he stated it.

So, would an Atomie (CR 1) be acceptable as a player character? CG fey sprite. I could see one wanting to stop the raids into her forest territory. Either a knife adept rogue, or possibly a Druid/Sorcerer/Mystic Theurge (given the recent ruling on spell like abilities counting).

My question is how you would determine what bonuses they get to their stat rolls.

Stat rolls are 5d6 Drop 2 lowest and raise any stat below 12 to 12
If the race has a stat bonus you get it. If it doesn't you get the standard 2Physical/2Mental/-2Mental or +2 in one stat of choice! Be reasonable pick a combo that fits. Most cr 3 or lower monsters have a stat array you should pick +2 in the highest physical +2 in the highest mental and place the -2 in the lowest mental.

At this point till someone asks a question, No other rules are set in stone!

OH one more thing I forgot to mention how many posts you should make I can do multiple everyday. Players should make atleast 2 every weekday and 1 on weekends, as I know weekends are harder for some people to post.

I'll have to wait until I get home to put up more information on what I wish to make considering that is where my books are. Will be allowed to use Dragonmarks?

Perhaps a character sent by his house to help make sure that the raids stop.

Yes but you cant be a heir till you meet the prereq's.

Included in this link is one of the maps I could use for a dungeon!

Example Map

For racial stat bonuses, it's the same as it was in 3.5.

If it has racial hit dice, you subtract 10 or 11 from the score (10 for even scores, 11 for odd scores), and the remainder is the racial bonuses.

For races that don't have racial hit dice, there will be text in the entry telling you what it is.

Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 3, 2, 4) = 15 -> 10
Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 4, 1) = 13 -> 11
Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (6, 3, 1, 2, 5) = 17 -> 14
Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 5, 6, 6) = 24 -> 18
Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (6, 2, 6, 3, 1) = 18 -> 15
Stat: 5d6 ⇒ (1, 2, 3, 6, 4) = 16 -> 13

Not awesome, but not bad either.

Atomie Modifications (As best I can figure from Bestiary entry)

CR Adjust : -1

Size : Diminutive
Stats : STR -4, DEX +6, CON +2, WIS +4, CHA +8

Speed 20 ft., fly 50 ft. (good)

Weapon Proficiency : Rapier

Skills : +4 Acrobatics for Jumping

Special Attacks sneak attack +1d6
Spell-Like Abilities (CL 6th; concentration +10)

Constant—speak with animals
At will—dancing lights, reduce person (DC 15)
3/day—invisibility (self only)
1/day—shrink item

5d6 ⇒ (1, 6, 6, 4, 1) = 18 16
5d6 ⇒ (4, 2, 3, 2, 1) = 12 9 raised to 12
5d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 5, 2, 6) = 19 15
5d6 ⇒ (2, 4, 6, 5, 3) = 20 15
5d6 ⇒ (1, 4, 3, 6, 5) = 19 15
5d6 ⇒ (5, 6, 4, 6, 2) = 23 17

One question on the racial challenge rating. Would that also apply to templates such as half-celestial, half-fiend, or half-dragon?

Is the 'min stat 12' before or after racial modifiers?

You raise it to 12 before racial modifiers, but racial penalties cannot lower it below 10, and bonuses cannot raise anything above a 24 is the way I read it.

Werewolf is a template, so I would assume it applies to said templates as well.

I believe the "Raise any stat lower than 12 to 12" rule would apply before racial modifiers.

how many race points are in a race rating?

5d6 ⇒ (5, 3, 6, 6, 4) = 24 17
5d6 ⇒ (3, 3, 3, 6, 4) = 19 13
5d6 ⇒ (4, 3, 6, 6, 5) = 24 17
5d6 ⇒ (6, 4, 4, 2, 5) = 21 15
5d6 ⇒ (2, 6, 5, 1, 6) = 20 17
5d6 ⇒ (1, 1, 3, 5, 1) = 11 12

LoL, and I though my nightmarish campaign redux was OP, but this is off the charts. I make up for it though by being gold tight and putting in harsh combats, and so does this one. This seems a lot more gold tight than the campaign I have, considering the players will only get 2500 gold to start with.

Also
Strong Power Reserve
Effect: 5% bonus to SPP
What is SPP?

Here is the general build of the character I have right now.

3. sorry my mistake spp should be spb for spell point base to get final sp take spb(spp) add bonus for stat then multiply by total % percentage bonus (between 5% and 20%) or in my campaign 10-25%

reason i did this is spell while powerful can and should be more prevalent in a casters plans (gives leeway and flexibility)!

and the basic is exactly the same as the psion power point cost list
at 4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4/4 which is 344 in base a wizard universalist difference between the 2 is mines 36 more or 380 (not much) about 8.5% and my high level spells cost more

Are you ok with Mystic Theurge? Especially given the new Paizo ruling on spell like abilities counting toward prestige class qualifications?

yep if paizo says yes then yes

LoL, and I though my nightmarish campaign redux was OP, but this is off the charts. I make up for it though by being gold tight and putting in harsh combats, and so does this one. This seems a lot more gold tight than the campaign I have, considering the players will only get 2500 gold to start with.

Also
Strong Power Reserve
Effect: 5% bonus to SPP
What is SPP?

SPP should be spb or spell point base.

Nearest multiple of 10 determines
1+ is 10
2+ is 20
3+ is 30

2500 is most spendable on any one item
4 6,000 gp
5 10,500 gp
6 16,000 gp

If you really are using monsters as races rule, then how do you feel about magical beasts, since they don't have int of 3, but at 10 or above, so it would make sense. It doesn't say what the racial modifiers on stats would be just skills, so I would need to know what the stat modifiers are, other than just the ones for being large sized. Of course though I would be able to understand language only but not speak it. I won't be able to use weapons, but I'm sure armor can be custom made to fit the creature. It would most likely be a spellcaster of some sort using its front leg to cast.
Unicorn

unicorns are lg creatures and are definetly smart enough for classes most are druid but any spell caster is fine, horn is there wand.

For racial stat bonuses, it's the same as it was in 3.5.

If it has racial hit dice, you subtract 10 or 11 from the score (10 for even scores, 11 for odd scores), and the remainder is the racial bonuses.

For races that don't have racial hit dice, there will be text in the entry telling you what it is. just as mdt said.

eventually will want polymorph or something like that.

your racial stat bonuses
Str 8
Dex 6
Con 6
Int 0
Wis 10
Cha 14

yes unicorns are powerful. If you want more levels take away 1hd per level and -1 to str,dex,con and -2 cha. if you want 6th level your bonuses would be 6,4,4,0.10,10.

Is there a link that gets me to 3.5? I don't own any books.

d20srd.org

unicorns are lg creatures and are definetly smart enough for classes most are druid but any spell caster is fine, horn is there wand.

For racial stat bonuses, it's the same as it was in 3.5.

If it has racial hit dice, you subtract 10 or 11 from the score (10 for even scores, 11 for odd scores), and the remainder is the racial bonuses.

For races that don't have racial hit dice, there will be text in the entry telling you what it is. just as mdt said.

eventually will want polymorph or something like that.

your racial stat bonuses
Str 8
Dex 6
Con 6
Int 0
Wis 10
Cha 14

yes unicorns are powerful. If you want more levels take away 1hd per level and -1 to str,dex,con and -2 cha. if you want 6th level your bonuses would be 6,4,4,0.10,10.

This is a cr 3, so it would have to be level 4, as by your rules.

Bounty hunter unicorn if that is okay. Most of my bonus feats would be fleet constantly, with a few others taken, since most feats won't do me much good since I can't use weapons or do certain things since I'm not humanoid. So by level 20 I'd be really fast.

Although I can't do a lot of things as an animal, so those huge bonuses for all those stats if you are right is not as powerful as I think. I can't climb, because that don't make sense, I can't use diplomacy, because I can't talk, sleight of hand wouldn't make sense, and I can only understand but not speak languages, so linguistics and int bonus would only affect half as much. Craft or disable device I would assume cannot be used. Disguise wouldn't make any sense, so basically it would be knowledge, acrobatics, stealth and a few other skills I would be limited to. Ride doesn't make any sense either, unless that skill would apply to people riding me.

You have it almost right Double, they'd be 2 with 4 levels of class. And yes, high stats. However, you're a horse. You can't do a lot of things others can, you can't use a lot of equipment others can. I have a unicorn cohort in a game, and she's got a LOT of limitations (lower hit points, no ability to manipulate things, no way to climb things), so you're a powerful invalid in the wrong situation. So it balances out.

The reason it CR 2 + 4 class levels is that you get to drop a CR when you hit 3rd class level, and gain a new class level. That's because the racial bit becomes less and less useful. However, that's all you can drop from a CR 3. So, your unicorn would always be 2 class levels behind someone who was, say, a drow or hobgoblin or elf or whatever.

As to talking, unicorns have always been able to talk in the stories I've ever read. Up to the GM though. I do play an Awakened Lynx in another game, and yes, he can't talk. It's very frustrating at times.

unicorns speak common and sylvan to begin

I'll have my character done up sometime tonight or tomorrow. Are you ok with a PDF character sheet hosted on Google Docs, with a link to it in an alias?

Random gender, 1 = Female, 2 = Male: 1d2 ⇒ 2

yep fine with me

reason i put 1&2 together is it wont go below +1
+1 will be lvl +1 all the way to 20
+2 wLL become lvl +1 at 3
+3 will drop to lvl +2 at 3 and lvl +1 at 10

that's how it works and why i allow up to +3

unicorns are intelligent enough to speak, the idea of one bounty hunting is intriguing, probably should answer why and why your willing to associate with humanoids. This could be as simple as flame sent say agents too your woods to kill a reported were and botched the job or what have you. Revenge I find like I've said before is a good motivator!

I've found the monsters as PCs rules work well up to CR 3, after that, they break down big time.

Ok, got most of the crunch done other than the equipment, gotta finish it and then do the background. He's going to end up being a combat healer type (you didn't expect a diminutive creature to be a combat monster did you). :) Life Oracle 4/Karmic Sorcerer 1. Ready to hit Mystic Theurge next level.

For starting funds, are we going by Hit Dice, Class Levels, or Effective Character Level?

For example, my character has 3 different values for those.

Hit Dice : 7
Class Levels : 5
Effective Character Level : 6

Milgen

And here is Milgen. I assumed 10,500gp. I can buy more if it's not the class levels that determine starting funds. I think I calculated the spell points correctly. He's going to be a nasty caster eventually, but mostly he's an excellent combat healer right now.

GM, your house rules are confusing. Would you please copy them into the campaign info tab? Then, we can use the most clarified rules set.

I want to play a bard, spell points are not a stretch, but you have so many 5% bonuses I need to understand the math.

thanks