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The conditions for avoiding combat werent met, and even though you made a decent offer he wont accept it, it basically was his terms or nothing sadly

Bulvi |

I suspect he knows he'll probably have to kill us later and doesn't want us to have weapons... sensible really.
I'd rather do the combat, I like the story more but combat has significant risks as this group knows well from our first fight, feels a bit easy if we skip it wholesale... this one seems to be of significance.

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I can wait till you're out of the hospital/recovery...
Praying for you and hope all goes well...

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This is why I offered it, when I get my laptop here with me I will update for combat then, need to find a tavern map

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Actually, if you had surrendered your weapons, submitted to the witch of the pale tower he would have asked you a few questions while taking Nadya to the pale tower

Selena Snoe Yelizaveta |

Perhaps, but Selena is a white witch hersrlf, and my reading on them so far presents them as being above everyone else. People fear making a white witch angry. Selena is young and certainly not as dangerous, but that is the privledge she grew up in and expects.
Considering that they are in Irrisen, it not unreasonable for her to say no. The guard my not recognize her, but as she implied her authority is above his, he might then ask her who she is to think she is above him.
Unless her family is wanted and he knows it himself, the guard likely would want to avoid irritating one of the noble families, as that could end very badly for him under normal circumstances.

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Not to mention, the white witches to my understanding are only above the law in their own realm/domain of power. While Selena may be a white witch, she is in Nazhenas realm/domain of power, which in of itself would seem as an assault on Nazhenas authority if another witch punished him.
Granted he may not have direct authority to do somethings, you dont have direct authority to act with out causing incidents that may be long standing.
Also him disarming you would involve either him or one of his men taking your gear, with the request of Surrendering your weapons he in turn did not disarm, but you did by removing the weapons and handing them over. The older witches like to use fey logic, however flawed it may be, and teach the ones under their command to do the same.

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I agree that we should play out the combat.

Selena Snoe Yelizaveta |

I'm good with whatever we do, it is just a game.
He still has a chance to get her weapon, if he is diplomatic. (the in-game conversation just started after all)
That said,
I have no idea what fey logic is, but that arguement is both sound and yet it fails to address the issue.
It isn't how he gets my weapon that is the issue. It is that he wants my weapon at all. That is the part that makes no sense for nobility. If I'm noble, and on my way to see the local nobility, there shouldn't be a problem with me being armed. To disarm, by whatever means, visiting or passing through nobility would be highly insulting as it openly states distrust and as it makes one vulnerable is a form of social attack, and insulting nobles almost certainly becomes a political problem.
I just don't see it happening and being sensible.

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Fey logic is fairly well known in many lore
They speak the truth, but will seem to bend what they say to make you think that they did lie, when in turn it was only your brain
say you asked a Fey which way a weasel went
you would probably expect a direction, however what you would get is probably closer to this
"I know only the weasel went where the weasel wanted to as I am not a weasel I wouldn't know, and since I am not a weasel I am not the one you seek, and thus I can only answer you as such"

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Bulvi, you should 5 foot step right to get into a flank with Selena on the sergeant

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My apologies for the lack of posting, I'm fighting a battle of issues since the surgery, I will update when I can

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*yawns*
*fidgets*
*begins to play with dice*

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I'll be hiking to and camping at the bottom of the Grand Canyon in the wee hours of the coming morning...I won't get back up top till Friday afternoon and I'll be incommunicado as phone and internet connections are dead down there. Please bot me as needed and I'll be back with you all at the end of the week...

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Got back yesterday afternoon but was pretty wiped out from the hike and then the drive back...will get caught up and post soon...

Bulvi |

Did we get any gear from the soldiers? I was expecting the leader to have a masterwork weapon that might be good for someone to use.

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sorry bulvi, I read your post then forgot to add it, got the list posted for what is dropped for the party

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Heading to PaizoCon later today so I'll be a bit delayed in replying to posts.

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I have a slight request, on Tues, Weds, Thurs, if we are waiting on Selena, is there a player willing to bot her on those days in combat?

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I have a slight request, on Tues, Weds, Thurs, if we are waiting on Selena, is there a player willing to bot her on those days in combat?
I'm happy to. Just give me a poke any time you want me to step in.

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Actually, the sensible thing for Selena to do here would be to delay until after the enemy goes, then react appropriately as opportunities arise.

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It's Tuesday. Am I posting for Selena?

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Wow. GM, you just nailed a party of 3rd level characters with an 8d8 surprise attack? 4 lizards materialized right next to us, and none of us saw them coming? This is going to practically kill Sakitu, and will drop our big fighters to critically wounded status. Pretty rough for what feels like a random encounter...

Bulvi |

I suspect we rolled very high on it... we're too badly injured to be able to retreat without losing people. Oh well time to slash and prey.

Selena Snoe Yelizaveta |

Oh for the love of all that is holy, did anyone think through that plan?
A) presumably known that we are all allies, recall the mirror witness
B) Selena already stated intent to come here, presumably witnessed by the mirror
C) the native of the region, and a noble to boot, being the prisoner of outsider commoners
Sorry, but while I'm not opposed to talking our way through, this plan is asking for trouble.
Much better to have me show up to lodge a complaint with the local witch, with a few hired goons to protect me.

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Maybe...but are two guards stuck on the wall going to know all this? And even so, being on top of the wall and you being held as a prisoner, will they be able to see us well enough to recognize/identify us? Maybe, maybe not...but if they do recognize us, the gig's up no matter what we say...

Selena Snoe Yelizaveta |

The guards will communicate so the witch and guard captain will know, the witch inside has a good chance of divining what goes on at her own gate, one of the guards will likely escort us if they decide to let us in and thus notice if we change story, and at the very least the guards will easily recognize a local vs foreigners and usually recognize a noble vs commoners.
If they let us get close, they will recognize these things. If they don't recognize these things then they are attacking people without finding out if they are friend or foe.
We also do not know fof certain how they will react to us if they recognize us. You are assuming that it will be a fight. This is not minitures combat game, and if the GM does his job then this would not be certain to be a fight even if the writers assumed so.
Anyways, I was rather tired and irritated last night, so I'm sorry if I sounded off-putting.

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Selena, hope your car is OK. I hate car problems.
Let's hope that our current plan, no matter how foolhardy, will work out. As Plutarch said that Julius Ceasar said "Ἀνερρίφθω κύβος" -- The die is cast. (Or, more accurately 'Let the die be cast' but why should proper Greek grammar get in the way of a better sounding phrase...)

Selena Snoe Yelizaveta |

Is there some reason everyone is pretending this is an rpg? Cause so far, everyone is acting like this is a combat game that just happens to have a story stringing the battles together. And that is really making me so very [blueberrying] irritated. I don't sign up to play rpgs so I can play combat games. I have 4e for that. I can get that anywhere. No, I want some real and actual roleplaying. Why can't people just understand the difference and advertise accordingly.

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my apologies for not updating, I've been in and out of the ER and Doctors office quite a bit this week

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Hope all is well and that you feel better soon, GM.

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Just like the others, I hope you're getting better.

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We really need to get this game going again. GM, I think you need to check with Tyrael's player and see if he is still in the game, or needs to be NPC'd for the time being. If we wait too much longer, other players may get bored and leave.