Sorrowsoul Bard - Lyric Sorrow


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So this question refers to a specific aspect of Lyric Sorrow as posted here:

Sorrowsoul - Bard

Wiki wrote:
At 1st level, a sorrowsoul can use his lyric sorrow in conjunction with inspire courage. When he chooses to do so, he increases his bonuses on saving throws and on weapon attack and damage rolls from +1 to +2, but his other allies receive no benefit. His bonuses when using lyric sorrow with inspire courage increase by 2 at 5th level and every 6 bard levels thereafter, to a maximum of +8 at 17th level.

After reading this, I thought that it was converting my inspire courage into a self-only buff at increased effectiveness and performance cost.

However, the other uses of Lyric Sorrow are worded differently.

Wiki wrote:

At 12th level, a sorrowsoul can use his lyric sorrow ability in conjunction with inspire greatness to grant himself 3 bonus Hit Dice, a +3 competence bonus on attack rolls, and a +2 competence bonus on Fortitude saves; if he does so, inspire greatness only affects him, not any other allies.

At 15th level, a sorrowsoul can use his lyric sorrow ability in conjunction with the inspire heroics bardic performance. When using the lyric sorrow version of this performance, a sorrowsoul gains fast healing 5 and benefits from a 50% miss chance, as if under the effects of displacement, in addition to the standard bonuses conferred by this bardic performance, but if he does so, inspire heroics only affects him, not any other allies.

Those two modifiers SPECIFY that they do not apply to other allies, while the first usage only implies that allies do not benefit from the BONUSES. Those bonuses being the then-mentioned "bonuses when using lyric sorrow", but not the bonuses from the original inspire courage.

That would imply that beginning an inspire courage performance, in conjunction with lyric sorrow, will bestow bonuses to the Sorrowsoul alone WITHOUT removing the original effect from his party.

Is that the implication?

TL;DR Does Lyric Sorrow turn Inspire Courage into self-only?

I am the bard, and I've convinced the DM, but I want to be sure I'm not cheesing anything here.


Yes, lyric sorrow turns inspire courage into a self only buff. "Other allies receive no benefit" seems pretty clear to me.


That doesn't explain the discrepancy in the wording. It reads as if the "benefit" would be the additional benefits of lyric sorrow, not the original benefit of inspire courage.


No discrepancies at all. You use sorrowsong and the group receives no benefit.

If it was the way your'e saying it would be worded no "additional benefit" or some such.

No means no. None.


In other words yes you're cheesing. Your DM should not allow your interpretation

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Nobody but you gets any benefit from any of those performances when you use lyric sorrow. Cavall is right that it would have said "no additional benefit" otherwise.


Got it. Thank you so much.


Followup question:

Would "Exquisite Accompaniment" allow me to use two bardic performances simultaneously? Could I use the Lyric Sorrow version myself, and allow the magical instrument to play for the group?

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/e/exquisite-accompaniment/


Scratch that, further investigation cleared it up. I assume I could achieve this with Shadowbard, but no sooner.

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