Confused on different wordings of 'class x of level y needed to qualify for...' Different meaning or functionally identical?


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Hey everyone,

This is something that's been bothering me for a while and on searching the existing threads I cannot immediately find a topic on this. What I see a lot of while reading classes and feat lists on prerequisistes of selecting something are two different wordings:"

1. (example: weapon specialisation): required: fighter level 4th.
-I am assuming this means that I need 4 levels in the fighter class, not that my character's overall level needs to be 4 with at least one level in fighter. Is this correct? This seems fairly clear to me since it literally states that my level in fighter needs to be 4 or higher.

2. (example: mad rush, vigilante combat feature): ...'a vigilante needs to be at least level 10 to select this option.'
-On this however, I am conflicted. Again, does this mean that I need 10 levels in the vigilante class, or that I could pick it if I had character level 10 and just need enough levels in the vigilante class to gain a combat feature? The last option seems to satisfy the wording since I am both a vigilante and level 10, and the feature does not specifically state that i need vigilante level tenth the way weapon specialisation asks for a fourth level fighter.

Lastly, is this issue addressed in the rules somewhere in any of the rulebooks and where could I find it then?


Yes, you need to have that many levels within the listed class in order to select those options.

Weapon Specialization requires 4 levels of Fighter to take.

Mad Rush requires 10 levels of Vigilante to take.


When a class description sets level requirements that is, by default, a reference to levels in that class. It would specify 'character level' if that was meant. So a Vigilante would need ten levels in the Vigilante Class to qualify for Mad Rush.

The Weapon Specialization prerequisite is also referring to class levels in Fighter rather than Character Level, but this situation is bit more complicated because there are a number of ways to get equivalent Fighter levels for the purpose of meeting the Fighter-level requirements for feats. For example, Magi get the following class ability.

UM wrote:
Fighter Training (Ex): Starting at 10th level, a magus counts 1/2 his total magus level as his fighter level for the purpose of qualifying for feats. If he has levels in fighter, these levels stack.

So while four levels in the Fighter Class would definitely let you qualify for Weapon Specialization, a tenth level Magus (counting as a 5th level Fighter) could also take the feat. If the character was Fighter 3/Magus 10, then they would meet the '8th level fighter' requirement for Greater Weapon Focus.

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