Reading most of the weapon master style feats they say "while using this style...." But slipslinger doesn't. Does that mean you can use the two styles simultaneously without any special ability to do so? (Only interested in the first feat in the slinger style chain the others from it aren't needed.)
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Style feats always require you to 'activate their stance' to gain the benefit, so no the fact that Slipslinger doesn't include that precise text doesn't change how it works. You still need MoMS or another ability to use Slipslinger & Startoss at the same time.
As to those not being compatible... the author intended that they should be. Startoss requires a "weapon from the thrown fighter weapon group"... slings are in that group. Ergo, it works.
You can actually use both styles at the same time, but it takes some levels and feat to do that.
The answer is in the same book and named Weapon Style Mastery.
As the needed weapon training you can take Martial focus, which subs for weapon training and provides +1 damage.
Halfling warpriest of Lalaci or Pulura with the halfling sling feats added in gets pretty scary^^ The class also provides the necessary feats for this. Next is fighter probably.
In fact i would choose feats like this with a halfling warpriest:
-weapon focus sling (warpriest)
-slipslinger style
-Point Blank Shot
-Precise Shot
-Martial Focus
-Large Target
-Halfling Slinger
-Weapon Style Mastery
-Startoss 1-3
-Arc Slinger
-other ranged combat feats like rapid shot, clustered shots, etc.
With Pulura as god you can also take the air domain which let´s you range attack without provoking or range increment penalty and later fly.
So let´s see, inside of 50 feet you get +3 attack +9 (+1 for every size your opponent is bigger) damage. And then you add in STR, weapon enhancement and warpriest buffs.
Style feats always require you to 'activate their stance' to gain the benefit, so no the fact that Slipslinger doesn't include that precise text doesn't change how it works.
Does that mean for djinn style and efreeti style etc. you only get the extra elemental fist while you're in the style? The writing seems to suggest differently.
Style feats always require you to 'activate their stance' to gain the benefit, so no the fact that Slipslinger doesn't include that precise text doesn't change how it works.
Can you show the text that says that? It may be canon, but I can't seem to find it.
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Style feats always require you to 'activate their stance' to gain the benefit, so no the fact that Slipslinger doesn't include that precise text doesn't change how it works.Does that mean for djinn style and efreeti style etc. you only get the extra elemental fist while you're in the style?
Yes, that's how the general rule on style feats would play out. Some of them may have been intended as exceptions, but as these are not clearly identified... expect table variation.
Can you show the text that says that? It may be canon, but I can't seem to find it.
As a swift action, you can enter the stance employed by the fighting style a style feat embodies. Although you cannot use a style feat before combat begins, the style you are in persists until you spend a swift action to switch to a different combat style...
That's interesting. The text of "When using (style feat name)..." found in so many of the feats really muddles the above.
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Startoss style doesn't work with slings. While they are in the thrown weapon group, they are projectile weapons.
Does anyone know if there's an FAQ or clarification on this? Startoss Style says "Choose one weapon from the thrown fighter weapon group." Slings are in that group, so it seems like they should work.
Startoss style doesn't work with slings. While they are in the thrown weapon group, they are projectile weapons.
I disagree. The author of the feat's stated intent is for it to work with slings, and "skipping a sling stone off of someone and hitting someone else" makes a lot more sense to me than doing the same thing with a javelin, net, or a throwing axe.
Personally, for purposes of Startoss Style I would allow it to work with any weapon in the "Thrown" fighter group, including a crossbow or longbow modified with versatile design.
To the OP, the way to combing startoss and slipslinger style is through the weapon mastery feat "Weapon Style Mastery" (which requires either the Martial Focus feat or the Weapon Training class feature.).
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I thought we had a post where the authors intent wasn’t kept by the PDT?
I feel like if the PDT were to reprint startoss style in a RPG line book the entire style chain should be clear that we're referring to "one weapon from the thrown fighter weapon group" (which is all Startoss style itself calls for) throughout the entire feat chain. For the following reasons:
- That's how the author wanted it to work anyway.
- Verisimilitude (it makes much more sense to skip a rock off someone than a javelin)
- Consistency (it makes no sense for a weapon to be a valid choice for the first feat in a style chain and not work for the rest of it.)
- "Thrown Weapon Attack" shouldn't mean anything other than "a ranged attack made with a weapon in the thrown weapon group" anyway.
- Trying to maintain a distinction between "projectile weapons" and "thrown weapons" becomes absurd when you look at things like atl-atls and slings, which are basically just levers.
- Startoss Style makes slings a viable weapon, and "the halfling who is a master with a sling" is an iconic character in this sort of thing.
So I'm adamant that Startoss Style should work with slings and slingstaffs. If it doesn't because of poor wording (I mean, the wording for Startoss Shower doesn't make it super clear how many attacks you're making) then that should be corrected so that it works with slings. Startoss Comet should read "a ranged attack with the chosen weapon" anyway, to cut off people who want to stab people with daggers and take weapon specialization five times.
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Ok, did some research.
Startoss Style was designed to work with ranged weapons from the thrown weapon group.
The author of the feat intended it to work with any weapon in the thrown weapon group, but the person that put the book together (Owen) clarified to PFS this alteration:
Page 15—The Startoss Style feat's bonus on damage rolls applies when making ranged weapon attacks with thrown weapons, not when making melee weapon attacks with them.
Play how your GM wants to play it, knowing the intent of the author and the designer/developer are not the same and should it get pulled up to a PDT book it will likely see errata to block non-thrown and non-ranged weapon use.