High Level Spear Dancing

[Andy Brown]

After looking at the Weapon Master's Handbook, I'm considering a fighter based round the Spear Dancing Style feats. Now, as discussed in this thrad, weapon enhancements only apply to the spearhead, so you end up with a non-magical secondary weapon.

Are there any ways to make a non-magical weapon fully useful at high level where DR is more likely to come up. I've got an idea for a magic item that I would run past the GM for a home game, but I'm also wondering if the idea would work in PFS.

I'd had another idea for a character focused on improvised weapons, but that runs into the same problems.

[Andy Brown]

Welp, looks like there's an Advanced Weapon Training option in the Magic Tactics Toolbox that will help, but it's not PFS legal

[Secret Wizard]

You can enchant the other end.

[Andy Brown]

How? You can't enchant the shaft of a polearm as a weapon, and it only acts as a double weapon while you're using the Style.

[Secret Wizard]

You can. You could enchant a broom as a weapon if you wanted. Magic doesn't go "oh, this is a broom, so it's not a weapon, so I can't enhance it". As long as you wield it as a weapon, it's a weapon and enhancements work.

[Rylden]

Can you link where it states you can enchant a hafts and/or pommels as I cant seem to find them listed on the weapons chart. Not being snarky, just curious as I'm debating building a similar character and want my ducks in a row when I present my character to my GM.

[Lucy_Valentine]

Andy Brown wrote:

weapon enhancements only apply to the spearhead, so you end up with a non-magical secondary weapon.

While enchanting the shaft of a polearm isn't in the CRB, it's really silly and inconsistent not to just allow it.

I mean, PFS might not because RAW is god, but outside of that? You can enchant a quarterstaff, which is a long bit of wood. Why not a long bit of wood that's got a metal thing attached to the end? Or if someone doesn't like that idea, what happens if you take an enchanted quarterstaff, and then pay a smith to attach a polearm head to one end? Does the magic leak out of it? Or do the enchantments get grumpy and negate each other? And if so, then how do double weapons work?

[Rylden]

So by that thinking, if i took a brilliant energy enchant, stuck it on a quarter staff, how do I turn it into a spear? Just curious as this came up in a debate with friends recently

[Scythia]

Secret Wizard wrote:

You can. You could enchant a broom as a weapon if you wanted. Magic doesn't go "oh, this is a broom, so it's not a weapon, so I can't enhance it". As long as you wield it as a weapon, it's a weapon and enhancements work.

Only if it's a masterwork broom. Magic does apparently care about quality.

Oh, and many of the weapon enchantment say that they can only be placed on a melee weapon, so magic does care about if an item is a weapon sometimes.

So, the broom has to be made as as a masterwork melee weapon, then you'd have to stat a broom, figure out what category of weapon proficiency broom falls under, then you could enchant your 300 gold broom as a weapon. :P

[Secret Wizard]

melee witch build incoming

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Can you link where it states you can enchant a hafts and/or pommels as I cant seem to find them listed on the weapons chart. Not being snarky, just curious as I'm debating building a similar character and want my ducks in a row when I present my character to my GM.

Worst case scenario, you can always use a weighted spear which is naturally a double weapon.

[Lucy_Valentine]

Rylden wrote:

So by that thinking, if i took a brilliant energy enchant, stuck it on a quarter staff, how do I turn it into a spear? Just curious as this came up in a debate with friends recently

... how do you hold it at all?

Logically, if it's possible to use, then some wooden bits must be left. So there's some wood, with some light projecting out of one end. Attach the spear head to the wooden end and leave the light end still sticking out. Then pretend to be Darth Maul.

[Imbicatus]

Get a pearl of power for your caster friend to cast greater magic weapon on the off end. It's won't help with DR, but on the other hand it's only for one or two attacks per round.

[Aventhar]

Secret Wizard wrote:

You can. You could enchant a broom as a weapon if you wanted. Magic doesn't go "oh, this is a broom, so it's not a weapon, so I can't enhance it". As long as you wield it as a weapon, it's a weapon and enhancements work.

I believe it would need to be a masterwork broom.