Question about gestalt viability

[Solidchaos085]

So I'm about to participate in a campaign using gestalt rules (I'm sure most of you know about them).

I wanted to ask about the viability of combining the warpriest with the kineticist, would sacred weapon modify the kineticist's blast? (i guess this could also qualify as a multiclass question)

[Maximilian Gaston]

Can you take Weapon Focus Kinetic blast? If you can then it should.

[Solidchaos085]

Maximilian Gaston wrote:

Can you take Weapon Focus Kinetic blast? If you can then it should.

I agree, but it makes me wonder, would that be terribly broken? By level 15 the base die for kinetic blast would 2d6, I'm not sure it that would be per level or not.

In retrospect, I could see the elemental annihilator archetype getting some good mileage out of this combination

[haremlord]

I've been wondering the same things. My thought about it is two-fold.

1) It says that a kinetic blast is a weapon for feats. It doesn't say "and other effects". So my first thought is that it wouldn't work for Sacred Weapon, Weapon Training, Spellstrike, etc.

2) Normally, you use the Sacred Weapon damage or the base damage of the weapon, your choice. Which would lead me to believe that the damage from both wouldn't be used. What that means is you can use 1d6+1+conmod (for a physical blast) + (1d6+1)/2 levels after 1st OR whatever the warpriest sacred weapon damage is at your current level.

So going by your level 15 example, you would either use 8d6+8+conmod OR 2d6 for damage (not sure if you would still add conmod or not). You wouldn't use 2d6 + (1d6+1)/2 levels after 1st (because that would be combining the two). It's the same reasoning why you couldn't do a monk//warpriest or alchemist//warpriest and get the damage benefits from both.

At least that was my reasoning. I have no rules to quote that support my analysis. :)

[Solidchaos085]

haremlord wrote:

I've been wondering the same things. My thought about it is two-fold.

1) It says that a kinetic blast is a weapon for feats. It doesn't say "and other effects". So my first thought is that it wouldn't work for Sacred Weapon, Weapon Training, Spellstrike, etc.

2) Normally, you use the Sacred Weapon damage or the base damage of the weapon, your choice. Which would lead me to believe that the damage from both wouldn't be used. What that means is you can use 1d6+1+conmod (for a physical blast) + (1d6+1)/2 levels after 1st OR whatever the warpriest sacred weapon damage is at your current level.

So going by your level 15 example, you would either use 8d6+8+conmod OR 2d6 for damage (not sure if you would still add conmod or not). You wouldn't use 2d6 + (1d6+1)/2 levels after 1st (because that would be combining the two). It's the same reasoning why you couldn't do a monk//warpriest or alchemist//warpriest and get the damage benefits from both.

This was my thinking as well overall, and what was holding me back from just diving into the concept. I may have to shelve the kineticist for now (despite loving the concept of it) and focus on the warpriest aspect, since that's what my character is geared more towards.