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He lost me at about the sixth time he referred to a blaster as a "laser," which it self-evidently isn't. Laser shots are not visible, have no recoil, and there's no reason for them to be pulses. Lasers also don't deliver kinetic energy, so you wouldn't see objects moved or anyone thrown back by a laser.Tangentially relevant, anyway: blasters v. bullets. (EDIT: as everyone in TFA uses blasters.)
I think he's missing a very, very salient point: bullets leave holes in ships. Only suicidal idiots would carry them on ships in space. Otherwise, it could well be a solid theory. I'm curious what you guys think?
To be fair, none of that is of much concern in an universe where explosions consistently light on fire and make lots of noise... In space.
BTW, is there any in-universe explanation of why only Jedi/Sith use lightsabers?
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BTW, is there any in-universe explanation of why only Jedi/Sith use lightsabers?
B/c without the ability to use the Force, it's a pretty pathetic weapon. Don't bring knives to a gunfight, and don't bring lightsabers to a blaster battle.
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BTW, is there any in-universe explanation of why only Jedi/Sith use lightsabers?B/c without the ability to use the Force, it's a pretty pathetic weapon. Don't bring knives to a gunfight, and don't bring lightsabers to a blaster battle.
Also, without the extra body awareness brought by the force or several years of martial training, any number of lightsaber techniques are as likely to hurt the wielder as the opponent. Self decapitation or amputation would be common.
BTW, is there any in-universe explanation of why only Jedi/Sith use lightsabers?B/c without the ability to use the Force, it's a pretty pathetic weapon. Don't bring knives to a gunfight, and don't bring lightsabers to a blaster battle.
I don't know about that... It might not work as a main weapon, but it'd be a pretty good melee weapon. Soldiers still carry knives and learn hand-to-hand combat, don't they? And the lightsaber still has the utility of being able to cut through basically anything. That has to come in handy.
Also, without the extra body awareness brought by the force or several years of martial training, any number of lightsaber techniques are as likely to hurt the wielder as the opponent. Self decapitation or amputation would be common.
Eh... I think that's a pretty flimsy explanation... Finn used it pretty well for someone with no force powers (that we are aware of... Even if he's force sensitive, he still never had any training). Besides, something being really freaking dangerous to use never stopped the human race... :P
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Eh... I think that's a pretty flimsy explanation... Finn used it pretty well for someone with no force powers (that we are aware of... Even if he's force sensitive, he still never had any training). Besides, something being really freaking dangerous to use never stopped the human race... :P
Finn didn't use it MUCH or for long... but you asked for an in-universe reason, and that's it. Without the force guiding you, that thing is insanely dangerous. Any nick or brush of the blade (as happens all the time with REGULAR swords) and you start losing limbs.
Also, those crystals that they use to make them... I heard they were really hard to find. Either naturally scarce or the Empire hid/destroyed them to prevent jedi from making new ones. So it's REALLY impractical to outfit entire armies with them.
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Plus, you can only deflect blaster bolts if you have something like the force to enable you to deflect them.
Most people would be riddled with blasters if bringing a light saber to that type of fight.
Even Luke Skywalker used a blaster in Empire Strikes back.
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Personally, I think lightsabers would be similar to chainsaws in our world. Not really a great weapon if you're fighting armed combatants, but great if you're trying to murder the unarmed. That doesn't mean that there wouldn't be someone crazy enough to try and use one in combat without force powers. Just make sure to point the dangerous end forward, and leave all that blade twirling to the Jedi.
It has to be the rarity/difficulty to build that keeps people from using them, because even as just a tool, and not a weapon, it's incredibly useful.
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also worth mentioning... They were recognized as the tool of the Jedi, and Jedi were being hunted by the empire..
So owning one was NOT high on anyone's 'must do' list.
I too don't really buy the "you-will-kill-yourself-if-you-aren't-force-sensitive" about lightsabers (although I can accept that only a trained, force-sensitive person can manufacture one). I can also accept that you need near-clairvoyant reflexes to deflect blaster bolts
They are probably stupid rare, stupid expensive and well, rather flashy in a non-desirable attract-inquisitors'-attention way. That's enough for me to explain why people don't carry lightsabers.
What was the final story behind General Grievous? He wasn't all robot but he wasn't much organic either... but i'm pretty sure he wasn't a Jedi was he? He wielded 4 of them.
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I thought the deal with Grievous was that his bionics and cybernetics were the test bed for the tech that would keep Anakin alive.
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Also, those crystals that they use to make them... I heard they were really hard to find. Either naturally scarce or the Empire hid/destroyed them to prevent jedi from making new ones. So it's REALLY impractical to outfit entire armies with them.
They are very hard to find, but even harder to actually use correctly. Part of becoming a Jedi Knight was the construction of the Lightsaber. It was partially in creating a personal weapon, but the test itself was displaying enough mastery of the different types of the Force (Alter, Control, and Sense), needed to actually correctly create a working Lightsaber.
Another aspect to consider is that a Lightsaber is essentially a bomb, and even relatively minor damage to the components within the hilt would be enough to cause it to explode and kill everyone within a few yards. Part of the Force Mastery required to actually use one in combat is focusing on the Lightsaber itself not being damaged and blowing up.
The original concept was that they where simply lazar swords, but that was changed quickly to make them a partially mystical weapon and not a mundane one. So while one doesn't need to be a Jedi/Sith, they do need to have Force Sensitivity to use one as anything but a lethal taser. Well, until The Force Awakens botched that for us.
The other major aspect of using a Lightsaber is that it's a defensive weapon, not an offensive one. Simply using it like a sword is like using a loaded bazooka as a club.
Instead, with the Force, a user can block, deflect, and redirect blaster bolts, absorb energy, focus the force through the blade, and use the lightsaber as both a melee and ranged weapon/shield.
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Also, those crystals that they use to make them... I heard they were really hard to find. Either naturally scarce or the Empire hid/destroyed them to prevent jedi from making new ones. So it's REALLY impractical to outfit entire armies with them.They are very hard to find, but even harder to actually use correctly. Part of becoming a Jedi Knight was the construction of the Lightsaber. It was partially in creating a personal weapon, but the test itself was displaying enough mastery of the different types of the Force (Alter, Control, and Sense), needed to actually correctly create a working Lightsaber.
Another aspect to consider is that a Lightsaber is essentially a bomb, and even relatively minor damage to the components within the hilt would be enough to cause it to explode and kill everyone within a few yards. Part of the Force Mastery required to actually use one in combat is focusing on the Lightsaber itself not being damaged and blowing up.
To be fair, Phantom Menace screwed that one up first.
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To be fair, Phantom Menace screwed that one up first.Also, those crystals that they use to make them... I heard they were really hard to find. Either naturally scarce or the Empire hid/destroyed them to prevent jedi from making new ones. So it's REALLY impractical to outfit entire armies with them.They are very hard to find, but even harder to actually use correctly. Part of becoming a Jedi Knight was the construction of the Lightsaber. It was partially in creating a personal weapon, but the test itself was displaying enough mastery of the different types of the Force (Alter, Control, and Sense), needed to actually correctly create a working Lightsaber.
Another aspect to consider is that a Lightsaber is essentially a bomb, and even relatively minor damage to the components within the hilt would be enough to cause it to explode and kill everyone within a few yards. Part of the Force Mastery required to actually use one in combat is focusing on the Lightsaber itself not being damaged and blowing up.
He cut the dual saber at the middle. Probably nothing to damage there.
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Also, those crystals that they use to make them... I heard they were really hard to find. Either naturally scarce or the Empire hid/destroyed them to prevent jedi from making new ones. So it's REALLY impractical to outfit entire armies with them.They are very hard to find, but even harder to actually use correctly. Part of becoming a Jedi Knight was the construction of the Lightsaber. It was partially in creating a personal weapon, but the test itself was displaying enough mastery of the different types of the Force (Alter, Control, and Sense), needed to actually correctly create a working Lightsaber.
Another aspect to consider is that a Lightsaber is essentially a bomb, and even relatively minor damage to the components within the hilt would be enough to cause it to explode and kill everyone within a few yards. Part of the Force Mastery required to actually use one in combat is focusing on the Lightsaber itself not being damaged and blowing up.
The original concept was that they where simply lazar swords, but that was changed quickly to make them a partially mystical weapon and not a mundane one. So while one doesn't need to be a Jedi/Sith, they do need to have Force Sensitivity to use one as anything but a lethal taser. Well, until The Force Awakens botched that for us.
The other major aspect of using a Lightsaber is that it's a defensive weapon, not an offensive one. Simply using it like a sword is like using a loaded bazooka as a club.
Instead, with the Force, a user can block, deflect, and redirect blaster bolts, absorb energy, focus the force through the blade, and use the lightsaber as both a melee and ranged weapon/shield.
Yeah, no Beckett. Not sure where you're getting your info, but that was thrown out a long time ago, before the yuuzhan vong war even in the EU.
I distinctly remember an array of non-force-sensitive individuals using lightsabers in the EU, including drug addicts, to relatively good effect.
Force Awakens is pretty far from the first to trample all over the idea that you had to have the force to use one, or make one.
The 'bomb' idea is also one that's completely new to me. I'm sure if I dug around in the EU I could find plenty of broken lightsabers, but even a cursory glance at the prequels shows at least three or four of them getting sliced, smashed, or otherwise damaged very casually.
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Yeah, no Beckett. Not sure where you're getting your info, but that was thrown out a long time ago, before the yuuzhan vong war even in the EU.
I distinctly remember an array of non-force-sensitive individuals using lightsabers in the EU, including drug addicts, to relatively good effect....
It's not that lightsabers can't be broken, it's that if certain components glitch or interact in certain ways, it would cause the "blade" to shoot out the opposite direction at best, or to overload and explode. So, what I was saying is that part of the usage of a Lightsaber is fighting in a way to prevent that from happening.
Up until recently, (and I guess that even only matters if you accept Disney's word on that), the EU WAS canon. And let me reiterate, non-force sensitive folks can use a Lightsaber. It's extremely dangerous to everyone involved. Even General Grievous was really only able to because of (I'm assuming) a lot of training, programming limitations (see how he fought, with very wide base swings and repetitive motions rather than fluid combat), and we also have no indication he/it was not Force Sensitive.
I have not read the Yuuzhan Vong era material, which from my understanding has always be, . . . contentious, so I'm not sure.
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I'm thinking Finn has the Force virus.
An important yet telling discussion was between Phasma and Hux about Finn's 'malfunction'.
Phasma was basically saying (in advance, though you don't pick it up until later) 'if you put the janitor into the field, you may not get the result you're expecting'.
And Hux is saying 'Well, he's a member of the military, he'll do what the military does because military.'
And they were both right.
Whups
Yeah, no Beckett. Not sure where you're getting your info, but that was thrown out a long time ago, before the yuuzhan vong war even in the EU.
I distinctly remember an array of non-force-sensitive individuals using lightsabers in the EU, including drug addicts, to relatively good effect....
It's not that lightsabers can't be broken, it's that if certain components glitch or interact in certain ways, it would cause the "blade" to shoot out the opposite direction at best, or to overload and explode. So, what I was saying is that part of the usage of a Lightsaber is fighting in a way to prevent that from happening.
Up until recently, (and I guess that even only matters if you accept Disney's word on that), the EU WAS canon. And let me reiterate, non-force sensitive folks can use a Lightsaber. It's extremely dangerous to everyone involved. Even General Grievous was really only able to because of (I'm assuming) a lot of training, programming limitations (see how he fought, with very wide base swings and repetitive motions rather than fluid combat), and we also have no indication he/it was not Force Sensitive.
I have not read the Yuuzhan Vong era material, which from my understanding has always be, . . . contentious, so I'm not sure.
If they are so fragile, why wouldn't an opposing force user not force-push a delicately balanced component and blow up their opponents hand-bomb while they are holding it?
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I'm thinking Finn has the Force virus.
That's my thought as well. I was placing wagers with some of my relatives about whether or not both Finn and Rey were going to turn out to be Vader's grandchildren.....
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"Force virus"? It's contagious?
I'm thinking Finn has the Force virus.
Yes, some symptoms may include, but are not limited to:
An increased midichlorian count
A propensity to murder one's parents
An urge to whine incessantly about one's fate in the universe
An almost supernatural ability to be good at anything 'if you put your mind to it'
An increased resistance to mental conditioning tactics
An increased gullibility to believable stories
A distressing tendency to be captured by one's opponents...
If you, or a loved one begins to show signs of being afflicted with the Force virus, do not panic, and contact a local medical professional.
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Hey! Anyone want to get wild and crazy and get back to just talking about the Force Awakens Movie?
I know all this random talk about strange, non-canon, expanded universe stuff is an absolute hoot, but, you know, the title of the thread is Star Wars: The Force Awakens, so, ya know, maybe we can get back to just talking about the movie?
I know, I know, it's a nutty idea, but who knows, maybe it'll stick ...
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Up until recently, (and I guess that even only matters if you accept Disney's word on that), the EU WAS canon.No, it wasn't.
Before Disney's statement canon was Episodes I through VI and the Clone Wars movie and show.
Actually, in that regard, you had different levels of Canon.
The Movies were the core Canon.
The show was actually NOT as Canon as the movies, and was more on the EU level of Canon.
I believe the books were next in Canon.
After that came the Video Games and comics if I recall correctly.
Each level too precedent over the ones below it if there were questions of what was correct.
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EU was canon. Because George Lucas was clever enough to realize it would sell much more, and make him much richer it it were... So he said it was canon.
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Completely, utterly, wrong.Up until recently, (and I guess that even only matters if you accept Disney's word on that), the EU WAS canon.No, it wasn't.
Before Disney's statement canon was Episodes I through VI and the Clone Wars movie and show.
Actually, in that regard, you had different levels of Canon.
The Movies were the core Canon.
The show was actually NOT as Canon as the movies, and was more on the EU level of Canon.
I believe the books were next in Canon.
After that came the Video Games and comics if I recall correctly.
Each level too precedent over the ones below it if there were questions of what was correct.
Just maybe, you could benefit from reading this: Star Wars Canon. Because GreyWolfLord is in fact correct.
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"And so it was, that in a galaxy far, far away in a future long, long time from now..."
STAR WARS: EPISODE EIGHT
The FANS Awaken
It has been over thirty years since the end of the great saga that inspired worlds and imagination throughout the world of Dirt. All would have seemed quiet...
In recent maneuvers, however, the creator of that great saga found his focus adrift, and he sold his rights to the property, creating yet another schism in the fractured telling of the original epic tale, that poor revisions and horribly edited 'prequels' had nearly rendered defunct...
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That was the behind the scenes narrative reason, to foreshadow/parallel Vader's half man, half machine nature. In universe, though, no one had an idea Anakin would need them so it doesn't make much sense.
Truth...even though never brought up, Palpatine was obsessed with outliving his shell. He could have very easily been an option B being studied for himself as well, and Anakin just needed it more, sooner.
But, speculative at best.
I think you're just reading the same text with different emphasis.
Putting the dividing line at different places between Canon & not Canon.
Your "a canon, but not the canon" maps pretty closely to GWL's "Movies were core Canon, show was next, then books, then games & comics"Just more finely divided.
Don't sweat it. I think Krensky is my polar opposite or tries to be. Sometimes I'll say something, he has to counter.
It can get a little funny. He'll even try to counter and say things I was personally involved on and worked on at times!
Recently, it seems he is the conservative to my liberal...and that's okay...we all need to have opposites at times to challenge the way we think.
Though I wonder what would happen if I quoted the laws of physics!
However, I think recently one can accept that he will try to go counter to whatever I say...
It's the way things are these days. I'm actually fine with it...and at times find it a little humorous.
Sometimes I'll even go back and analyze my former thoughts if he says something reasonable enough to back up his counter point.
I think you're just reading the same text with different emphasis.
Putting the dividing line at different places between Canon & not Canon.
Your "a canon, but not the canon" maps pretty closely to GWL's "Movies were core Canon, show was next, then books, then games & comics"Just more finely divided.
No.
The Holocron levels were: G-canon (the live action movies and Lucas's notes), T-canon (Clone Wars), C-canon (the majority of the EU), S-canon (stuff that's been contradicted by higher level canon, but still had some stuff that was valid), and N-canon (not canon at all).
Of course, Lucas himself never paid attention to any of that and while he lifted stuff from the EU at his own whim, he only considered the most recent edit of the six live action movies and the Clone Wars movie and show canon, and only until he decided to rejigger things around.
I don't believe Lucas ever considered the Clone Wars canon in the same way he did the movies.
In fact, if we go from Lucas, the ONLY things even close to Canon were the stories by Zahn (original stories by Zahn in which Lucas himself was consulted, and then in regards to those stories, ONLY the parts the Lucas himself was personally involved with and approved), and occasionally the items in the EU that Lucas himself personally approved of.
In regards to the Clone Wars TV show, part of it was actually tossed out of Canon, and the parts which were accepted by Lucas once again would ONLY be the parts that he himself approved of. He was closely involved in some of the episodes, others he had no involvement.
Only Lucas (at that time) could tell you what he would consider closer to Canon.
However, in the end, NOTHING except the 6 movies were G-Canon or considered True Canon by Lucas.
He probably would be more likely to remember something he himself worked on or approved (and perhaps that's why we have Coruscant as the Capital Planet in the Prequels, due to his approvals to Zahn...or perhaps he just needed a name and his aides picked up one that had been used previously...who knows). (Adding: Some think that only the stuff that made it from the Zahn Trilogies to the Shadow of the Empire were actually the items considered...different stories on it and stuff from the Zahn Trilogy that made it into the prequels).
However, overall in regards to the Canon, it was basically as I said (whether you call it the G,T,C,S, etc....or simply list what they were)...and they had different levels of authenticity of what was over the other.
I was never really that much involved or interested in the EU stuff myself, though I DID read Zahn (who was a noted and award winning author himself...and perhaps the best writer to ever write ANYTHING in the Star Wars universe), but did keep abreast of some of the Canon considerations and what went on behind the scenes.
(for example...when you look at the name Count Dooku, which probably came from an idea towards a name like Count Doodoo, another similar thing was when they were working on the Force Unleashed video game. They called in Lucas for a reference in regards to his thoughts...and he suggested the name of Darth Icky...seriously. They didn't really like that name though...so went with something else. However, Lucas wasn't really that concerned [unlike when he insisted on the death of some characters in the EU] and they got to give the character whatever name they wanted...that probably wouldn't be considered anything canon at all by Lucas in formulating his stories [some say he liked the main plot idea though]...but when the EU existed...it gets a tad more tricky).
I find it funny that you want Lucas to consider the Clone Wars Cartoon to be considered as Canon as the Movies Lucas made. He'd toss anything in them in an instant if he had made sequels and something conflicted with what he wanted to put in the movies.
I think in part one of the reasons Lucas did prequels instead of sequels is he KNEW he had ideas that would conflict and hence didn't do a treatment in order to avoid rocking the boat. That's my opinion on it though.
Tangentially relevant, anyway: blasters v. bullets. (EDIT: as everyone in TFA uses blasters.)
I think he's missing a very, very salient point: bullets leave holes in ships. Only suicidal idiots would carry them on ships in space. Otherwise, it could well be a solid theory. I'm curious what you guys think?
Do blasters not effect material objects?
Any reason they couldn't damage ship walls as easily as bullets?
I'd also assume most ship's outer hulls are fairly resistant to small arms fire.
I believe he corrects himself mid-video (either by text overlay or something).
But no - not to the same degree or in the same fashion, I'd say.
Look at how the blaster systems interact with things like flesh and armor - clearly, there are few (depending on the quality, heft, and style of the blaster) smoking holes in an individual. Generally what seems to happen is it creates a solid searing on the outside of a thing.
What that suggests to me is that said blasters hit and then spread along their target rather than passing through it.
This is fundamentally different from imparting a large amount of kinetic energy to a small space. While people are often knocked over and killed by blaster fire, this more indicates that it's a particle weapon that spreads a super-heated shot across the surface of a thing it hits with some sort of residual effects (like system shock or maybe actual shock) rather than dealing its damage from a kinetic blast, which is what bullets are.
Effectively, while a bullet is just "kinetic damage by throwing metal really fast" a blaster is "instantaneous heat damage (and <minor?> electrical discharge?) with some kinetic kick" - a very different method of delivering death.
Well, there are lots of reasons a laser would pulse.
That aside, blasters are officially particle beam weapons. Nevermind that both charged and neutral particle beams are relativistic.
Also, of course blasters damage ships, why else would ships mount them as weapons?
Sure - but consider the difference in relative size and power of those that break apart ships (in general).
An uzi could probably destroy a supermarine spitfire XVI (both developed in the 40s), but that's because that sort of kinetic energy could punch through the hull pretty easily, without too much effort or focusing too much on one spot.
Compare what we've seen of blasters to ships in-universe.
Ship at rest: blasters don't destroy it without intense focus-fire from several, but do damage it badly enough to prevent it from working. (I do not recall if they destroy it by using a gattling gun on a tripod thing or just a number of blaster bolts from the hand-devices). This is seen in TFA when they attack Poe's ship at the beginning.
Ship flying: even when they hit, they do zero damage (likely because of shielding). This is seen when Poe and the rest attack them to rescue Han and the rest.
This seems to make it seem that, functionally, while the blasters can damage a ship, they generally don't when all is on and running - or at least not enough to really matter.
I don't think it's ever really been effectively tested other than that.
(Though it's pretty clear that rebel blaster-fire did practically nothing on the AT-ATs in Hoth - not even their snow shuttle speeder things -, while a more 'solid' solution - i.e. tow-cables - brought down the self-same terrifying tank-like devices.)
Why do you constantly make this stuff up? Especially when links to articles prooVing you wrong were posted on this very same page?
Really, it's embarrassing.
So... Do you havia anything to back up your claims or do you just like saying "You're wrong. LOL." and acting as if your a words carried more weight than anyone else's?
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The voices of The Force Awakens
From Rebels and The Clone Wars Sam Witwer (Emperor Palpatine) and James Arnold Taylor (Obi Wan Kenobi).
Stormtrooper: “Check over there.” “Fan out!” “Copy that, 1138.”
— James Arnold Taylor and Sam Witwer
Interesting note the number 1138 is a nod to George Lucas who had this number in all his films.
Another Easter Egg can be found in the night scene with BB-8 and the red eyed alien.
Red Eyed Sand Alien (watching BB-8 roll away): “Kojima.”
Definitely a reference for Hideo Kojima, the game designer behind Metal Gear Solid.
Matt Lanter, Anakin Skylwaker in The Clone Wars, played a Stormtrooper at Maz Kanata’s Castle.
Stormtrooper (radio prompts Rey to first see trooper): “FN-417, hold position.” — Matt Lanter
Kevin Smith fan boy turned entertainer was part of the voices.
Stormtrooper (reacts to incoming Resistance fighters): “We have incoming at 28.6! Move!” — Kevin Smith
The Stormtrooper that faced the TRAITOR was voiced by David Acord, a Sound Designer at Lucasfilm.
And officially confirmed: the T-16, mentioned in A New Hope, got its follow-up model
Stormtroopers (as Rey sneaks out toward ledge):
“You checked out the new T-17s? The T-17s, as far as I can tell, are a great improvement. Yeah, that’s what they tell you, but believe me, they don’t hold up. They don’t? No …” — David Collins and Sam Witwer
Pip Anderson had a speaking role at the Battle of Takodana. It was often rumored he was the guy that left the bloody fingerprints on Finn’s helmet.
Stormtrooper (into comlink): “Request air support!” — Pip Anderson