What is a Shadowdancer's Caster Level?


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CRB wrote:

Shadow Call (Sp)

At 4th level, a shadowdancer can create creatures and effects out of raw shadow. This ability functions as shadow conjuration, using the shadowdancer's level as the caster level. A shadowdancer can use this ability once per day at 4th level, plus one additional time per day for every two levels attained beyond 4th (2/day at 6th level, 3/day at 8th level, and 4/day at 10th level). Upon reaching 10th level, this ability functions as greater shadow conjuration. The DC for this ability is Charisma-based.

Shadow Conjuration is a 4th level Bard/Wizard/Sorcerer spell, which are normally obtained at 7th level and thus CL7+. A Shadowdancer would normally get this ability at 9th level, but what would the CL be? Would it be 4+ or 9+? Is it possible to cast spells at a Caster Level below the normal minimum?


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Shadow Call wrote:
This ability functions as shadow conjuration, using the shadowdancer's level as the caster level.

Seems pretty clear to me.


Is that Shadowdancer's character level as caster level or shadowdancer's class level as caster level? What if the shadow dancer has like...a level of bard?


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Unless something is specifically called out as using character level, the default is class level. So in this, use the total number of levels in the Shadowdancer class as the caster level.


Byakko wrote:
Unless something is specifically called out as using character level, the default is class level. So in this, use the total number of levels in the Shadowdancer class as the caster level.

So it is possible to cast a spell with no problems despite being "too low" a level to cast it normally?

Sczarni

Indeed.

Many spell-like-abilities function exactly in that way.

The Aasimar race gets Daylight as a spell-like-ability (normally a 3rd level spell, requiring Wizard-5).

Yet they can cast it at 1st level, regardless of character class.


So I can cast a 4th level spell that lets me cast a 3rd level spell when my Caster Level would normally only let me cast 2nd level spells. Awesome. Side question:
Would Magical Knack improve a Shadowdancer's caster level for their abilities? (My character has MK for Cleric so this won't help her, but itwould be good to know for the future)

Sczarni

K-kun the Insane wrote:

Side question:

Would Magical Knack improve a Shadowdancer's caster level for their abilities?

*Most likely* not.

The Shadowdancer is a "Prestige Class", not a "Class".

Though it's not an intuitive distinction.

These sorts of discussions have come up in a myriad number of other cases, most recently (IIRC) revolving around the Evangelist Prestige Class and its ability to (possibly) enhance other Prestige Classes.

I am aware of no clarification on the matter.


There are several types of classes, and all are "classes":
* Core Classes (Bard, Fighter, ...)
* Base Classes (Alchemist, Magus, ...)
* Alternate Classes (Ninja, Samurai, ...)
* Hybrid Classes (Hunter, Slayer, ...)
* Prestige Classes (Dragon Disciple, Shadow Dancer, ...)
* NPC Classes (Expert, Warrior, ...)

Sczarni

Except, one of those things, is not like the others.

Prestige Classes.

They have requirements, which no actual "Class" has, and they cannot be selected for Favored Class Bonuses (as called out in the CRB).

Those two distinctions, at the very least, warrant them being in a separate category.

And I believe there were others, as well, which I cannot recall at the moment.


Nefreet wrote:

Except, one of those things, is not like the others.

Prestige Classes.

They have requirements, which no actual "Class" has, and they cannot be selected for Favored Class Bonuses (as called out in the CRB).

Those two distinctions, at the very least, warrant them being in a separate category.

And I believe there were others, as well, which I cannot recall at the moment.

Actually, some classes DO have requirements, though not as restrictive as Prestige Classes. A Paladin MUST be Lawful Good, a Monk MUST be any Lawful, a Druid MUST be any Neutral, and a Barbarian MUST be any non-Lawful. Again, they're not as restrictive in their requirements as Prestige classes, but the fact that they have them nullifies that point from your argument.

Sczarni

None of those are actually "required".

Core Rulebook wrote:
Unlike the core classes, characters must meet specific requirements before they can take their first level of a prestige class.

You can have a chaotic Paladin, or a Lawful Barbarian.

They simply lose access to a handful of class features.

But, in order to be a Prestige Class, as quoted, you *do* have to meet certain requirements.


Except you cannot gain levels of Barbarian if you're Lawful.

Sczarni

Still, any one Class's individual stipulations do not apply to "Classes" as a whole.

There is nothing notably different about any of the categories you mentioned, other than Prestige Classes.

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