Only trouble if you only heal 1 con naturally each day. If you have a friendly cleric using less restoration though this rocks.
Throw it into PFS (don't know if it's legal, though) and with unlimited downtime, you'll have UNLIMITED Aracana points!!!1!1! Yeeehar! ;)
A Magus (like a Wizard) only needs to study his spellbook if he would like to regain his spells. Resting 8 hours doesn't clear out his prepared spells, only preparing new ones does.
Spell Selection and Preparation: Until he prepares spells from his spellbook, the only spells a wizard has available to cast are the ones that he already had prepared from the previous day and has not yet used. During the study period, he chooses which spells to prepare. If a wizard already has spells prepared (from the previous day) that he has not cast, she can abandon some or all of them to make room for new spells.
Prepared Spell Retention: Once a wizard prepares a spell, it remains in his mind as a nearly cast spell until he uses the prescribed components to complete and trigger it or until he abandons it. Certain other events, such as the effects of magic items or special attacks from monsters, can wipe a prepared spell from a character's mind.
The rules somewhat assume you prepare spells everyday, but I believe the concept is the same. Perhaps someone can find rules to support/refute that claim a bit more.
I noticed this sometime back. Someone pointed out to me why it does not work. Alas, I did not SAVE this reference, but I'm 99% sure it exists.
So, uh, somewhere there's some data that proves that point, presumably.
In the meantime I'll keep eyeing my Fiend Flayer magus who has never, ever wanted to trade 2 CON for more arcane pool points...
A Magus (like a Wizard) only needs to study his spellbook if he would like to regain his spells. Resting 8 hours doesn't clear out his prepared spells, only preparing new ones does.
Spell Selection and Preparation: Until he prepares spells from his spellbook, the only spells a wizard has available to cast are the ones that he already had prepared from the previous day and has not yet used. During the study period, he chooses which spells to prepare. If a wizard already has spells prepared (from the previous day) that he has not cast, she can abandon some or all of them to make room for new spells.The rules somewhat assume you prepare spells everyday, but I believe the concept is the same. Perhaps someone can find rules to support/refute that claim a bit more.
Prepared Spell Retention: Once a wizard prepares a spell, it remains in his mind as a nearly cast spell until he uses the prescribed components to complete and trigger it or until he abandons it. Certain other events, such as the effects of magic items or special attacks from monsters, can wipe a prepared spell from a character's mind.
Quoting myself for rules-support of retaining spells over multiple days.
No, that's definitely not what it's saying.
Even if it were, what if you were unable to find a spellbook? The spells from yesterday are still in your head.Your interpretation ignores 2 words (each day) mine doesn't. Why should those words be ignored?
As for consequences. You clearly can't be a Magus anymore since you didn't follow the rules for what Magus must do each day.
As I said before, that's all for wizards and says nothing about magi.Quoting myself for rules-support of retaining spells over multiple days.A Magus (like a Wizard) only needs to study his spellbook if he would like to regain his spells. Resting 8 hours doesn't clear out his prepared spells, only preparing new ones does.
Spell Selection and Preparation: Until he prepares spells from his spellbook, the only spells a wizard has available to cast are the ones that he already had prepared from the previous day and has not yet used. During the study period, he chooses which spells to prepare. If a wizard already has spells prepared (from the previous day) that he has not cast, she can abandon some or all of them to make room for new spells.The rules somewhat assume you prepare spells everyday, but I believe the concept is the same. Perhaps someone can find rules to support/refute that claim a bit more.
Prepared Spell Retention: Once a wizard prepares a spell, it remains in his mind as a nearly cast spell until he uses the prescribed components to complete and trigger it or until he abandons it. Certain other events, such as the effects of magic items or special attacks from monsters, can wipe a prepared spell from a character's mind.
I think it is implicit in the rules that magus preperation works just like wizards. You May feel otherwise but if you make a habit of not assuming things like that you must have a million FAQ's laying around unanswered.
I think it works but i dont think it is really powerfull. The time could have been used better i think.
It's not stated. So RAW that's not how it works. It can't be one way for one thing and a different way for the other. I highly doubt the intent of infernal mortification was to allow for what is being suggested. So, if someone wants to suggest that "RAW says I can stockpile infinite arcane pool points via Infernal Mortification and not preparing new spells" I'm going to point out that "RAW says if you don't prepare new spells, you stop being a Magus"I think it is implicit in the rules that magus preperation works just like wizards. You May feel otherwise but if you make a habit of not assuming things like that you must have a million FAQ's laying around unanswered.
I think it works but i dont think it is really powerfull. The time could have been used better i think.
it is only infinite arcane pool if you have infinite time. And most spell casters Will have better things to do with infinite time. Like item creation.
It's not stated. So RAW that's not how it works. It can't be one way for one thing and a different way for the other. I highly doubt the intent of infernal mortification was to allow for what is being suggested. So, if someone wants to suggest that "RAW says I can stockpile infinite arcane pool points via Infernal Mortification and not preparing new spells" I'm going to point out that "RAW says if you don't prepare new spells, you stop being a Magus"I think it is implicit in the rules that magus preperation works just like wizards. You May feel otherwise but if you make a habit of not assuming things like that you must have a million FAQ's laying around unanswered.
I think it works but i dont think it is really powerfull. The time could have been used better i think.
Spells: A wizard casts arcane spells drawn from the sorcerer/wizard spell list presented in Spell Lists. A wizard must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time.
To learn, prepare, or cast a spell, the wizard must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a wizard's spell is 10 + the spell level + the wizard's Intelligence modifier.
A wizard can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. His base daily spell allotment is given on Table: Wizard. In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he has a high Intelligence score (see Table: Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells).
A wizard may know any number of spells. He must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying his spellbook. While studying, the wizard decides which spells to prepare.
Spells: A magus casts arcane spells drawn from the magus spell list. A magus must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time.
To learn, prepare, or cast a spell, the magus must have an Intelligence score equal to at least 10 + the spell level. The Difficulty Class for a saving throw against a magus's spell is 10 + the spell level + the magus's Intelligence modifier.
A magus can cast only a certain number of spells of each spell level per day. His base daily spell allotment is given on the table above. In addition, he receives bonus spells per day if he has a high Intelligence score (see the Ability Modifiers and Bonus Spells Table).
A magus may know any number of spells. He must choose and prepare his spells ahead of time by getting 8 hours of sleep and spending 1 hour studying his spellbook. While studying, the magus decides which spells to prepare.
Spellbooks: A wizard must study his spellbook each day to prepare his spells. He cannot prepare any spell not recorded in his spellbook, except for read magic, which all wizards can prepare from memory.
A wizard begins play with a spellbook containing all 0-level wizard spells (except those from his prohibited schools, if any; see Arcane Schools) plus three 1st-level spells of his choice. The wizard also selects a number of additional 1st-level spells equal to his Intelligence modifier to add to the spellbook. At each new wizard level, he gains two new spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new wizard level) for his spellbook. At any time, a wizard can also add spells found in other wizards' spellbooks to his own (see Magic).
Spellbooks: A magus must study his spellbook each day to prepare his spells. He cannot prepare any spell not recorded in his spellbook except for read magic, which all magi can prepare from memory. A magus begins play with a spellbook containing all 0-level magus spells plus three 1st-level magus spells of his choice. The magus also selects a number of additional 1st-level magus spells equal to his Intelligence modifier to add to his spellbook. At each new magus level, he gains two new magus spells of any spell level or levels that he can cast (based on his new magus level) for his spellbook. At any time, a magus can also add spells found in other spellbooks to his own (see Arcane Spells).
A magus can learn spells from a wizard's spellbook, just as a wizard can from a magus's spellbook. The spells learned must be on the magus spell list, as normal. An alchemist (see the Alchemist description) can learn formulae from a magus's spellbook, if the spells are also on the alchemist spell list. A magus cannot learn spells from an alchemist.
Would you kindly point out the difference in spell preparation between Wizards and Magi based on RAW, please? The only difference I can spot is the list they draw spells from.
EDIT: These quotes are pulled directly from the PRD.
Preparing spells in open slots covers a very similar situation to this and states that other Arcane spell casters that prepare spells use the same rules as wizards in regards to open spell slots.
I suspect that regardless of your view of the RAW in terms of spell retention, Paizo would rule that all prepared arcane casters use the same mechanics; they simply assumed people would work that out for themselves so as to save page space in later books (or they forgot a line somewhere, as they are want to do from time to time.)
In other words: strictly speaking you are reading the RAW correctly, but only because Wizards were the only prepared arcane casters when those specific rules were written and nobody ever updated them. You could try to play things that way, but I don't think you'll find many people who would agree with it.
This may be a matter worth FAQing.
EDIT: I should point out that I actually do agree with Artoo in that by pure RAW, the loophole wouldn't work. I will also point out that by RAI, the loophole should be fine.
Aye, if you don't spend spells, you retain them in memory until cast or you prepare new spells in those slots.
So, yes, the arcanist could accumulate a lot of points if he doesn't prepare spells for days.
Alternately, you could interpret it as every morning he loses those points even if he prepares no spells. But, that's not what the ability says. It says he loses them IF/WHEN he prepares spells.
So, yeah, he can accumulate points if he doesn't prepare spells. Not sure how that'll help him unless he is 'given' that time and does no casting, but it IS possible otherwise. An interesting way of prepping for a quest.
But I think the real use here is +1 point over a normal arcanist by 'saving' a point from the previous day. It's more useful as an emergency measure allowing an arcanist to recover a spell if otherwise deprived...a sort of emergency versatility with a price.
Note that reducing the ability damage effects like an Inner Fortitude Ring will not work here. You're sacrificing the points to gain an effect, and if you reduce the damage, you're not sacrificing anything and nothing happens.
==Aelryinth
"A magus must study his spellbook each day to prepare his spells." seems to me to indicate that in order to prepare spells, a magus must study his spellbook. The 'each day' relates to being able to do so each day.
I suspect if it was FAQ'd they'd say you can't hold over points from the previous day and it refreshes whether you actually prepare spells or not, but it looks like it works at the mo.
It's not stated. So RAW that's not how it works. It can't be one way for one thing and a different way for the other. I highly doubt the intent of infernal mortification was to allow for what is being suggested. So, if someone wants to suggest that "RAW says I can stockpile infinite arcane pool points via Infernal Mortification and not preparing new spells" I'm going to point out that "RAW says if you don't prepare new spells, you stop being a Magus"I think it is implicit in the rules that magus preperation works just like wizards. You May feel otherwise but if you make a habit of not assuming things like that you must have a million FAQ's laying around unanswered.
I think it works but i dont think it is really powerfull. The time could have been used better i think.
Please Wizards can stockpile spells with another spell: http://www.d20pfsrd.com/magic/all-spells/m/mnemonic-enhancer
So one day you prepare in your 4th through 9th level spells with Mnemonic Enhancer.
The next day you get like 30 more 3rd level spell slots.
These extra slots last 24 hours remember: so you'll likely be able to user them before a big dungeon.
When you wake up, you prepare normal 4th-9th slots and your 30 3rd level slots (could be 50 2nds levels but 3rds are likely better)
So stockpiling is Core!
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That assumes two things:
1) That the extra spells aren't taking up the same space as the 4th level spell you just burned...which they probably are, so no prepping 4th level spells in that slot.
2) That casting multiple Rary's Enhancers doesn't just replace the previous casting of the spell, which is the default for spells with long durations. So you could only have one iteration of Rary's going at a time.
It's a FAQ question, but I'm pretty sure BOTH of those apply. Cite Paragon Surge.
==Aelryinth