Small-sized Elven Curve Blade Questions


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So am I looking at this right? If I'm a medium-sized Elf:

Medium-sized Elven Curveblade: 2 Hands 1d10 dmg
Small-sized Elven Curveblade: 1 Hand 1d8 dmg; -2 attack

Is this right?


Correct.

However, I'm hard-pressed to imagine a small-sized elven curve blade. It's not a generic weapon like a longsword or a dagger; it's an elven weapon. Every race makes longswords and daggers. Some of those races are small, so small longswords and daggers get made. Other races don't make elven curve blades; elves make elven curve blades for elves to use. All elves are medium, so all elven curve blades would be made for medium elves.

Now, maybe toy or even practice versions would be made for small-sized elven children, but these would be lighter and not sharp and probably of quite inferior quality since they're just childs' toys. Not suitable as weapons.

If I were DMing, I'd say you would need to make your own small elven curved blade, or pay someone to make it specifically. I would say the same thing about dwarven war axes and orcish double blades and gnome hook hammers (always small), etc.

But that's just me and my take on verisimilitude. And it's not RAW.


Why not just use a medium scimitar? It has the same specs and is a martial weapon.


If your purpose is to use it with Weapon Finesse you can't. Weapon Finesse requires the weapon to be appropriately sized.

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DM_Blake wrote:

Correct.

However, I'm hard-pressed to imagine a small-sized elven curve blade. It's not a generic weapon like a longsword or a dagger; it's an elven weapon. Every race makes longswords and daggers. Some of those races are small, so small longswords and daggers get made. Other races don't make elven curve blades; elves make elven curve blades for elves to use. All elves are medium, so all elven curve blades would be made for medium elves.

Now, maybe toy or even practice versions would be made for small-sized elven children, but these would be lighter and not sharp and probably of quite inferior quality since they're just childs' toys. Not suitable as weapons.

If I were DMing, I'd say you would need to make your own small elven curved blade, or pay someone to make it specifically. I would say the same thing about dwarven war axes and orcish double blades and gnome hook hammers (always small), etc.

But that's just me and my take on verisimilitude. And it's not RAW.

Yeah, 'cause a master swordsmith who isn't an elf would never recognize the impressive design of such a blade and decide to market some himself. You know, sort of like how I can't find any non-Mexicans to make tacos for me.

I'm now imagining a master dwarven weaponsmith who forges small-sized ECBs engraved with an image of a middle finger on the blade.


Middle fingers or not, once non-elves start making non-elven curve blades, they just become curve blades. Like, you know, how we don't call them human longswords or human daggers now that everyone makes them. Either the "elven" part means something or it doesn't, and languages being what they are and lazy speakers being what they are, people would stop saying "elven" curve blades once they are "everyone" curve blades.

But that hasn't happened because the silly things are still called "elven" curve blades so apparently they're still elven which implies they're made by elves and/or for elves, hence medium.

As I said, it's way outside of the scope of any rules, but it rings my verisimilitude bell.


Why couldn't there be a child-sized version of the blade for use by young elves, or made for a gnome ally of the elves? In Golarion, Kyonin has a sizable gnome population, particularly in the city of Omesta. So there's a reason why an elven smith might make a small-sized version of their classic blade.

That said, Swashbuckler with Slashing grace and a Katana or something would work better from a mechanical standpoint.

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DM_Blake wrote:

Middle fingers or not, once non-elves start making non-elven curve blades, they just become curve blades. Like, you know, how we don't call them human longswords or human daggers now that everyone makes them. Either the "elven" part means something or it doesn't, and languages being what they are and lazy speakers being what they are, people would stop saying "elven" curve blades once they are "everyone" curve blades.

But that hasn't happened because the silly things are still called "elven" curve blades so apparently they're still elven which implies they're made by elves and/or for elves, hence medium.

As I said, it's way outside of the scope of any rules, but it rings my verisimilitude bell.

The "elven" still differentiates what kind of curved blade it is, letting the listener know you're talking about that particular type of sword instead of just a general category of swords that have non-straight blades.

Sort of like how if I say "sausage", I might be including American breakfast sausage patties, summer sausage, and any number of other things; but if I say "Italian sausage" then you know I'm not including those other types, even though the sausage probably wasn't made by Italians.

This is clearly ringing some bell of yours, but it's not your verisimilitude bell.

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Does Golarion have an equivalent of "protected designation of origin," like with Champagne and Roquefort cheese? Are dwarves required to advertise their versions as "imitation Elven-style processed sword products"?


Gods damn foreign shanks. Can't even call them weapons, legally. Its like someone polished a dogslicer, scribbled some swirly letters on it and called it Elven. Back in my day, Elven meant something.


Jiggy wrote:
DM_Blake wrote:

Middle fingers or not, once non-elves start making non-elven curve blades, they just become curve blades. Like, you know, how we don't call them human longswords or human daggers now that everyone makes them. Either the "elven" part means something or it doesn't, and languages being what they are and lazy speakers being what they are, people would stop saying "elven" curve blades once they are "everyone" curve blades.

But that hasn't happened because the silly things are still called "elven" curve blades so apparently they're still elven which implies they're made by elves and/or for elves, hence medium.

As I said, it's way outside of the scope of any rules, but it rings my verisimilitude bell.

The "elven" still differentiates what kind of curved blade it is, letting the listener know you're talking about that particular type of sword instead of just a general category of swords that have non-straight blades.

Sort of like how if I say "sausage", I might be including American breakfast sausage patties, summer sausage, and any number of other things; but if I say "Italian sausage" then you know I'm not including those other types, even though the sausage probably wasn't made by Italians.

This is clearly ringing some bell of yours, but it's not your verisimilitude bell.

mmm...elven curvebacon...


Jiggy wrote:
DM_Blake wrote:

Middle fingers or not, once non-elves start making non-elven curve blades, they just become curve blades. Like, you know, how we don't call them human longswords or human daggers now that everyone makes them. Either the "elven" part means something or it doesn't, and languages being what they are and lazy speakers being what they are, people would stop saying "elven" curve blades once they are "everyone" curve blades.

But that hasn't happened because the silly things are still called "elven" curve blades so apparently they're still elven which implies they're made by elves and/or for elves, hence medium.

As I said, it's way outside of the scope of any rules, but it rings my verisimilitude bell.

The "elven" still differentiates what kind of curved blade it is, letting the listener know you're talking about that particular type of sword instead of just a general category of swords that have non-straight blades.

Sort of like how if I say "sausage", I might be including American breakfast sausage patties, summer sausage, and any number of other things; but if I say "Italian sausage" then you know I'm not including those other types, even though the sausage probably wasn't made by Italians.

This is clearly ringing some bell of yours, but it's not your verisimilitude bell.

For an example of what Jiggy is talking about that lies directly in the field of arms and armor, witness how the Hungarian shield, while common in Hungary, was also popular with large numbers of non-Hungarians and in widespread use in regions not part of Hungary.

(while continuing to be called the Hungarian shield)

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