Please help me understand Savage Maw spell for Inquisitor


Rules Questions


I need some clearing up about the spell Savage Maw and my Inquisitor. 10th level.
BAB +7/+2

1. I have a falchion in hand and cast Savage Maw. Next round, full attack action, do I get two attacks with the falchion and a bite attack (at BAB +2 with ½ strength damage)? In this situation, what sort of Power Attack damage does the bite do?

2. I have no melee weapon. Can I activate my Bane ability on my bite?

3. I have no melee weapon. When I bite I get two attacks. Do I get 1.5 times my strength modifier for damage? Do I get 1.5 times my Power Attack for damage?

Many thanks for the help.


1) yes. power attack is -1/+1
2) I think yes. It's a weapon
3) You only get 1 attack with the bite. I'm not sure if the spell overrides the option for 1.5 str. If it does power attack is -1/+2, if you can get 1.5 str then it does -1/+3

Scarab Sages

I swear, Mr. Paladin, I'm no necromancer...

Natural Attacks wrote:

Most creatures possess one or more natural attacks (attacks made without a weapon). These attacks fall into one of two categories, primary and secondary attacks. Primary attacks are made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and add the creature’s full Strength bonus on damage rolls. Secondary attacks are made using the creature’s base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls. This increase does not apply if the creature has multiple attacks but only takes one. If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type.

Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action (although often a creature must forgo one natural attack for each weapon clutched in that limb, be it a claw, tentacle, or slam). Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type.

I will answer your questions from the quotation...

1)"Creatures with natural attacks and attacks made with weapons can use both as part of a full attack action. Such creatures attack with their weapons normally but treat all of their available natural attacks as secondary attacks during that attack, regardless of the attack’s original type."
"Secondary attacks are made using the creature’s base attack bonus –5 and add only 1/2 the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls."
Power Attack wrote:
"This bonus to damage is halved (–50%) if you are making an attack with an off-hand weapon or secondary natural weapon."

Power attack on a secondary natural attack is -1/+1 + -1/+1 per 4 BAB(uses your BAB, not adjusted BAB on the attack), thus -2 to hit/+2 damage.

2) A natural weapon is a weapon.

"Bane inquisitor ability wrote:
"At 5th level, an inquisitor can imbue one of her weapons with the bane weapon special ability as a swift action."

It does not limit what kind of weapon. So, you may imbue your bite.

3) The spell does not make the assumption that it is your only natural attack. Nor does it assume that it will not be used with a weapon. Follow the normal rules for a natural attack. In this case, having no additional natural attacks and if you do not attack with any other weapons then follow this rule...

Natural Attack wrote:
"If a creature has only one natural attack, it is always made using the creature’s full base attack bonus and adds 1-1/2 times the creature’s Strength bonus on damage rolls."

If you somehow gain a second bite, such as from Haste, use this rule...

Natural Attack wrote:
" If a creature has only one type of attack, but has multiple attacks per round, that attack is treated as a primary attack, regardless of its type."

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