Not Playing with a Whole Deck


Rules Questions


I've got some questions concerning the interplay of Deadly Dealer and Martial Versatility. For reference, the benefits of the feats are below.

Deadly Dealer:
You can throw a card as though it were a dart, with the same damage, range, and other features. You must use the Arcane Strike feat when throwing a card in this way, or else the card lacks the magical force and precision to deal lethal damage. A card is destroyed when thrown in this way.

Harrow cards are treated as masterwork weapons when thrown using this feat, but are still destroyed after they are thrown. A harrow deck can no longer be used as a fortune-telling device after even a single card is thrown.

A spellcaster with this feat can enhance a deck of cards as though it were a ranged weapon with 54 pieces of ammunition. This enhancement functions only when used in tandem with this feat, and has no affect on any other way the cards might be used.

Only a character who possesses this feat can use an enhanced deck of cards; she must still use the Arcane Strike feat to activate the cards' enhancement.

Martial Versatility:
Choose one combat feat you know that applies to a specific weapon (e.g., Weapon Focus). You can use that feat with any weapon within the same weapon group.

Question 1: Does Martial Versatility change the type of weapon the Card emulates since cards are not in any weapon groups?

Question 2: If so, then could a character using Deadly Dealer and Martial Versatility to use the "other features" part of the feat to gain cards that can Entangle like a net, do non-lethal damage like Bolas, or gain better critical modifiers like the Starknife and Dagger?


I really don't think Martial Versatility applies to feats like this. Martial Versatility explicitly works for feats like Weapon Focus, which is a general feat that you apply to a specific weapon, such as Weapon Focus (greatsword).

If you argue that Deadly Dealer is a valid target for Martial Versatility, then you also have to believe that Improved Whip Mastery is an equally valid target. Which leads to absurd consequences such as threatening 10 ft. with a nunchaku even when you only have 5-foot reach with it, and using a nunchaku as a grappling hook to swing, or using the nunchaku to grasp objects.

Scarab Sages

They don't work together because deadly dealer isn't a combat feat. Combat feats are not "any feat with combat applications," it is a specific set of feats labeled as such.

Scarab Sages

Don't see why you'd think anything like that, Martial Versatility allows you to have a Combat Feat (e.g. Weapon Focus), and instead of it just applying to a single weapon (short sword), it applies to that weapon's group (Blades, Light).

Deadly Dealer isn't a valid target for Martial Versatility, because it's not a combat feat. Even if it were, cards aren't listed in any weapons group, so it's effect would be meaningless, or at an extreme interpretation, the Thrown Weapon group to which darts belong.


I knew something was off from my logic, I was just tired enough to not be able to figure out what. Hence, the title.

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