Abundant Casting + Magic Jar = two bodies?


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The Abundant Casting mythic path ability allows you to spend a point of mythic power to have an effect that had only one target (such as "one creature") affect an additional target.

The magic jar spell has a Target line, stating "one creature."

So, if you use Abundant Casting with magic jar, does that mean you can target two creatures from within the jar and possess two bodies at once?

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.


You could force two creatures to make saving throws, but you could only possess one.


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LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.

I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.
I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.

And I would say that souls can't be split and so the answer is not every ability gets to be applied to every spell.


LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.
I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.
And I would say that souls can't be split and so the answer is not every ability gets to be applied to every spell.

Rules Question forum. Is that what you think should happen, or what you want to happen?


Edit - second-guessing my first opinion. Further consideration needed.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.
I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.
And I would say that souls can't be split and so the answer is not every ability gets to be applied to every spell.
Rules Question forum. Is that what you think should happen, or what you want to happen?

Since there is no such thing as a raw answer on this I would say however that soul splitting is a bit beyond the power of a fifth level spell.

If a GM wants to allow this in their games...THAT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO. One should be aware that the Mythic rules are nitroglycerine, and need to be handled with that kind of caution.


LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.
I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.
And I would say that souls can't be split and so the answer is not every ability gets to be applied to every spell.
Rules Question forum. Is that what you think should happen, or what you want to happen?

Since there is no such thing as a raw answer on this I would say however that soul splitting is a bit beyond the power of a fifth level spell.

If a GM wants to allow this in their games...THAT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO. One should be aware that the Mythic rules are nitroglycerine, and need to be handled with that kind of caution.

That's an acceptable answer, and you're right that this sort of thing probably has no clear cut answer. Sorry if I sounded a little confrontational.

Grand Lodge

Pathfinder PF Special Edition, Starfinder Roleplaying Game Subscriber

My general rule if there is an ambiguous situation regarding magic, it's always better to err on the side that doesn't give spell casters a boost they don't need.


It could be interpreted as providing an option - if one of your targets succeeds in their save, you can possess the other. If both fail, you get to invade a random one.

Mind you, Magic Jar needs a rewrite all by itself; let alone when combining it with other effects.


LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
DominusMegadeus wrote:
LazarX wrote:
Sure... as soon as you find a mechanic to split your soul in half.
I would say the ability to cast a multi-target magic jar counts.
And I would say that souls can't be split and so the answer is not every ability gets to be applied to every spell.
Rules Question forum. Is that what you think should happen, or what you want to happen?

Since there is no such thing as a raw answer on this I would say however that soul splitting is a bit beyond the power of a fifth level spell.

If a GM wants to allow this in their games...THAT IS WITHIN THEIR RIGHT TO DO SO. One should be aware that the Mythic rules are nitroglycerine, and need to be handled with that kind of caution.

Nitroglycerine is actually a great deal less dangerous than people make it out to be. When fresh, It can be stepped on or even set on fire and not explode.

Scarab Sages

I suppose it probably was not intended and a faq or errata will say you can't. Magic Jar is one of those odd spells that can allow a cornucopia of unforeseen side effects that some might term "exploits"

but as a home rule...:

Why not? If it's mythic. Science fiction is full of examples of brain emulations or AIs making copies of themselves, then rejoining. No reason magic can't do the same thing. Of course these are usually beings who already had the capability or infrastructure to do so (infrastructure represented as a magic spell in pathfinder)

It's the rejoining that might be weird for the character. Maybe the character will develop a random insanity, which is probably appropriate.


Ever seen The Prestige? Such a thing should introduce some sort of existential dilemma.


Are there RAW mechanics for "a soul?"

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