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Celestial Servant (Aasimar):

Rather than being a normal animal or beast, your companion or familiar hails from the heavenly realms.

Prerequisites: Aasimar, animal companion, familiar, or mount class feature.

Benefit: Your animal companion, familiar, or mount gains the celestial template and becomes a magical beast, though you may still treat it as an animal when using Handle Animal, wild empathy, or any other spells or class abilities that specifically affect animals.

This means that an animal companion would be made a magical beast. Since it is then a magical beast, can it be made into a familiar as well?


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Only certain designated creatures can be made into a familiar or else I'd be running with my Kraken familiar non-stop.


Maybe I'm missing something. What good would a familiar do for a druid or ranger?


Simon Legrande wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something. What good would a familiar do for a druid or ranger?

Human and above intelligence, ability to communicate with them, your BAB (Ranger full BAB yay!), half your hp (Ranger d10 yay!) ability to scry on them eventually? Familiars actually seem potentially hardcore for a full BAB character.

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What about a sorcerer, cleric, paladin, or oracle? The options aren't limited to just the druid and ranger.


chaoseffect wrote:
Simon Legrande wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something. What good would a familiar do for a druid or ranger?
Human and above intelligence, ability to communicate with them, your BAB (Ranger full BAB yay!), half your hp (Ranger d10 yay!) ability to scry on them eventually? Familiars actually seem potentially hardcore for a full BAB character.

Huh, I didn't realize familiar abilities weren't attached to the actual class of the master. Carry on.

Edit: Hang on...

CRB wrote:

Familiars

A familiar is an animal chosen by a spellcaster to aid him in his study of magic. It retains the appearance, Hit Dice, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, skills, and feats of the normal animal it once was, but is now a magical beast for the purpose of effects that depend on its type. Only a normal, unmodified animal may become a familiar. An animal companion cannot also function as a familiar.


So, to sum up what everyone is saying,
"No."


Simon Legrande wrote:
chaoseffect wrote:
Simon Legrande wrote:
Maybe I'm missing something. What good would a familiar do for a druid or ranger?
Human and above intelligence, ability to communicate with them, your BAB (Ranger full BAB yay!), half your hp (Ranger d10 yay!) ability to scry on them eventually? Familiars actually seem potentially hardcore for a full BAB character.

Huh, I didn't realize familiar abilities weren't attached to the actual class of the master. Carry on.

Edit: Hang on...

CRB wrote:

Familiars

A familiar is an animal chosen by a spellcaster to aid him in his study of magic. It retains the appearance, Hit Dice, base attack bonus, base save bonuses, skills, and feats of the normal animal it once was, but is now a magical beast for the purpose of effects that depend on its type. Only a normal, unmodified animal may become a familiar. An animal companion cannot also function as a familiar.

Just to play Devil's advocate on a Druid (Animal Domain) 3 with Eldritch Heritage (Arcane)...

First, he takes his familiar acquired with his level 3 feat which "you may still treat...as an animal", and at level 4 turns the familiar which is not an animal companion, into an animal companion.

The rules (as intended do not appear to allow in any form) as written prohibit a modified animal or animal companion from becoming a familiar.

What is to prevent the familiar from becoming an animal companion, aside from the clear writ that it will no longer function as a familiar?

As written, you can go that route to gain an unusual animal companion, without any of the benefits normally afforded to a familiar. These benefits would clearly cease to function once the familiar became an animal companion, though you would be allowed to treat it as an animal per the feat listed (making it an eligible target to be an Animal Companion).

Sovereign Court

Note that familiars eventually acquire the ability to talk to animals of their own kind. You could have a smart yet quite small familiar, who sits on the back of your bigger and stronger but dumber animal companion, and tells him what to do.

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