Inappropriate Weapon Sizes and the Aklys


Rules Questions


So let me get this straight. I can wield A huge creature's light weapon as a two-handed medium weapon by taking a -4 to attack. This increases the weapon damage die by one step for each increase in size. The exotic weapon aklys is a light weapon that deals 1d8 damage. Does this mean I can wield a huge creatures aklys as a medium two-handed weapon that does 3d6 damage?


Oh and you can throw it 20ft and retrieve it as a move action due to a cord that is attached.


To be fair, -4 to hit is a large penalty in combat and you'd also have to spend a feat to use the aklys. But yes, light (huge) -> one hand (large) -> two hand (medium). I wouldn't consider this to be worth the penalties, but that's just me.

Sczarni

Yes, I believe the Aklys has the highest damage potential of any inappropriately sized weapon, in this regard.


MurphysParadox wrote:
To be fair, -4 to hit is a large penalty in combat and you'd also have to spend a feat to use the aklys. But yes, light (huge) -> one hand (large) -> two hand (medium). I wouldn't consider this to be worth the penalties, but that's just me.

The only thing that I think could make it viable would be the titan mauler. It would be pretty cool to combine with vital strike feats and add the impact enchantment.

Sczarni

Indeed. By level 12 you'd finally be able to ignore the -4. If you're starting out at a higher level it may be worth pursuing, or if you're starting at level 1 you can always just pick up a huge Aklys later on.


Advantage vs. greatsword: ~3.5 damage per hit.
Disadvantage vs. greatsword: -4 to hit.

I'm okay with this. It's like stacking a really crappy Power Attack on top of your existing one. If you're fighting big, slow, soft things (i.e., crappy armor class) or consistently get a lot of buffs to attack rolls, then you'll excel with this approach. Otherwise, it's risky.

It does add a little more utility to the titan mauler's massive weapons ability.


Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
MurphysParadox wrote:
To be fair, -4 to hit is a large penalty in combat and you'd also have to spend a feat to use the aklys. But yes, light (huge) -> one hand (large) -> two hand (medium). I wouldn't consider this to be worth the penalties, but that's just me.
The only thing that I think could make it viable would be the titan mauler. It would be pretty cool to combine with vital strike feats and add the impact enchantment.

FYI, you cannot add impact to the Aklys. While it is a 2-handed weapon for you, it is still a light weapon (for an appropriately sized creature).

With the attack penalties, you would probably be better served making it a +2 anyway.


reyyvin wrote:


FYI, you cannot add impact to the Aklys. While it is a 2-handed weapon for you, it is still a light weapon (for an appropriately sized creature).

With the attack penalties, you would probably be better served making it a +2 anyway.

Ahh totally forgot you cannot put impact on light weapons oh well


If enlarge person was cast on you and you threw the aklys would it still remain enlarge as it is attached to you with a 20ft cord or no?


Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
If enlarge person was cast on you and you threw the aklys would it still remain enlarge as it is attached to you with a 20ft cord or no?

Nope. They errataed Enlarge and Reduce person to not work with ranged weapons; as soon as the weapon leaves your grasp, it returns to normal size. With the cord... I'd still say no. Ask your DM; in PFS, expect table variation.

Which is nice for Firearm/bow users and Reduce Person; you get +1 hit for size, +2 dex, but weapon strikes as normal damage.

If your DM is nice, you may ask him to house rule Gravity Bow to work on your thrown weapon; that is the spell most ranged characters are forced to use to deal +size damage.

The Enlarge would, of course, work for melee.


Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
reyyvin wrote:


FYI, you cannot add impact to the Aklys. While it is a 2-handed weapon for you, it is still a light weapon (for an appropriately sized creature).

With the attack penalties, you would probably be better served making it a +2 anyway.

Ahh totally forgot you cannot put impact on light weapons oh well

Put it on a Fighter's Fork instead. It's a trident that you can shortened into a light weapon. Same damage and you should be able to apply impact.

Grand Lodge

reyyvin wrote:
Captian Von Spicy Wiener wrote:
If enlarge person was cast on you and you threw the aklys would it still remain enlarge as it is attached to you with a 20ft cord or no?
Nope. They errataed Enlarge and Reduce person to not work with ranged weapons; as soon as the weapon leaves your grasp, it returns to normal size. With the cord... I'd still say no. Ask your DM; in PFS, expect table variation.

In PFS you can't buy huge weapons so it's irrelevant. :)

Sczarni

^ true story.


FLite wrote:

In PFS you can't buy huge weapons so it's irrelevant. :)

now that is dissapointing

Sczarni

It's actually a basic Pathfinder rule (or, rather, a lack of rules), and not a PFS-specific restriction. The CRB does not list costs for weapons sized Tiny or smaller and Huge or larger. You only get Small/Medium/Large.

One of the Developers commented that including those costs either took up too much space, or word count, or didn't seem important enough to include, and yet costs for Armors of different sizes still made it in.

The conundrum comes from PFS only allowing items in print to be purchased. There are no "custom items", and in this case an inappropriately sized weapon would be a "custom item". There is no listed price, so although you can insinuate what the cost would be using the Armor chart, it's still not written anywhere that you can do that with weapons.

So, no Huge-Aklys-Wielding Titan Maulers in PFS.


Nefreet wrote:

It's actually a basic Pathfinder rule (or, rather, a lack of rules), and not a PFS-specific restriction. The CRB does not list costs for weapons sized Tiny or smaller and Huge or larger. You only get Small/Medium/Large.

One of the Developers commented that including those costs either took up too much space, or word count, or didn't seem important enough to include, and yet costs for Armors of different sizes still made it in.

The conundrum comes from PFS only allowing items in print to be purchased. There are no "custom items", and in this case an inappropriately sized weapon would be a "custom item". There is no listed price, so although you can insinuate what the cost would be using the Armor chart, it's still not written anywhere that you can do that with weapons.

So, no Huge-Aklys-Wielding Titan Maulers in PFS.

It might be a bit worse now that I was so close. Well time to find a homebrew to play in again

Liberty's Edge

Though, it does make it difficult when you want to sell a gargantuan greatsword.

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