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@Pax Rawn , I take it you are not with the Golgotha guild so you can speak here if you want to? It makes both Pax guilds look bad to me the way Pax withdrew from the thread on page 3 and left all the questions unanswered. Was that decision by both Pax guilds or just Golgotha?
Care to identify what your stake is in this Notmyrealname?
As an outside observer it appears you are simply trolling at this point. If Pax Aeternum or Pax Golgotha had violated any conditions of the land rush 2, I would think that GW would have said or done something about it.
In the absence of any sanction there was no wrong doing.
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And now, for the shocking reveal...
*Removes mask*
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@Pax Rawn , I take it you are not with the Golgotha guild so you can speak here if you want to? It makes both Pax guilds look bad to me the way Pax withdrew from the thread on page 3 and left all the questions unanswered. Was that decision by both Pax guilds or just Golgotha?Care to identify what your stake is in this Notmyrealname?
As an outside observer it appears you are simply trolling at this point. If Pax Aeternum or Pax Golgotha had violated any conditions of the land rush 2, I would think that GW would have said or done something about it.
In the absence of any sanction there was no wrong doing.
So if I ask a question about if both Pax guilds decided to withdraw from this thread or was it just one that decided , I am trolling? maybe I want to know who thinks they don't need to answer questions about their conduct. Why are you against me asking a question about who was it that decided their guild won't engage in conversation? I don't know if it was just Golgotha , if it was both guilds that makes me think they really do act as one guild and not two.
I am way past caring about who gets what settlement , I care about why Pax wont talk and if it is both guilds . Go get Xeen he is more fun as the Pax Defender.
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HA! IT WAS ME ALL ALONG! I was gonna scare y'all off the thread while I looked for Nihimon's secret Pokemon collection.
Trouble was, you guys didn't flee in terror. You just kinda ran at me. What's that about?
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So if I ask a question about if both Pax guilds decided to withdraw from this thread or was it just one that decided , I am trolling? maybe I want to know who thinks they don't need to answer questions about their conduct. Why are you against me asking a question about who was it that decided their guild won't engage in conversation?
By what relationship is Pax beholden to you, to answer your questions?
Do they not have the right to say, we have addressed this issue as far as we choose to, and leave it in the hands of GW?
To answer your question, I don't think they need to answer to you, me or anyone else other than GW.
I can tell you who decided their guild won't engage in conversation. It was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.... You see how silly this can get?
Ryan Dancey has already responded to this thread. As convoluted as his post was, there was still no affirmation that Pax did anything wrong. So why would Pax Golgotha continue arguing over a settled matter?
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So if I ask a question about if both Pax guilds decided to withdraw from this thread or was it just one that decided , I am trolling? maybe I want to know who thinks they don't need to answer questions about their conduct. Why are you against me asking a question about who was it that decided their guild won't engage in conversation?By what relationship is Pax beholden to you, to answer your questions?
Do they not have the right to say, we have addressed this issue as far as we choose to, and leave it in the hands of GW?
To answer your question, I don't think they need to answer to you, me or anyone else other than GW.
I can tell you who decided their guild won't engage in conversation. It was the second shooter on the grassy knoll.... You see how silly this can get?
Ryan Dancey has already responded to this thread. As convoluted as his post was, there was still no affirmation that Pax did anything wrong. So why would Pax Golgotha continue arguing over a settled matter?
Sorry Bludd but you have all the appearance of someone who just wants to fight and argue on a personal level, what are you really mad about? You aren't able to follow how this thread evolved , you are stuck repeating Pax did nothing wrong . But I think you are just in the mood to fight it doesn't matter with who or about what, I'm not real interested in doing that.
Move along. Nothing to see here.
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Hey, know how I always post random stupid threads on whims because I'm tired and have no impulse control?
I just controlled an impulse! I'm not gonna post the crappy CC idea I just got. Just wanted to say that here so people can witness my migty kobold willpower.
Nihimon starts his timer and waits for a new CC idea to be posted by KC :)
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I'm not real interested in doing that.Are you saying you won't engage in this conversation?..... Hmmm, that does sound vaguely familiar.... where did I read that?
You will just keep it up until you think you have won and beat me in a fight , won't you ? You need to act more mature in how you treat other people, God did not put them here for you to beat up on verbally .Go ahead and have the last word and declare victory.
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If you really wanted to be the "bigger man", you'd have let him have the last word without making a post about it.
Jus' sayin'.
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You will just keep it up until you think you have won and beat me in a fight , won't you ? You need to act more mature in how you treat other people, God did not put them here for you to beat up on verbally .Go ahead and have the last word and declare victory.I'm not real interested in doing that.Are you saying you won't engage in this conversation?..... Hmmm, that does sound vaguely familiar.... where did I read that?
I asked you four questions, and that constitutes a verbal beating?
I did point out your hypocrisy, with a bit of sarcasm, but even that is not a verbal beating.
You have been doing little but attacking Pax in this thread, and suddenly you are the victim?
I will be willing to let this thread die and neither of us can have the "victory", if that is O.K. with you?
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You will just keep it up until you think you have won and beat me in a fight , won't you ? You need to act more mature in how you treat other people, God did not put them here for you to beat up on verbally .Go ahead and have the last word and declare victory.I'm not real interested in doing that.Are you saying you won't engage in this conversation?..... Hmmm, that does sound vaguely familiar.... where did I read that?
Hey, check that mirror out.
You never did answer my question.
Who are you voting for in the land rush?
Hey, check that mirror out.
Why didn't anybody tell me I had that piece of gnome in my teeth?
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Nihimon starts his timer and waits for a new CC idea to be posted by KC :)Hey, know how I always post random stupid threads on whims because I'm tired and have no impulse control?
I just controlled an impulse! I'm not gonna post the crappy CC idea I just got. Just wanted to say that here so people can witness my migty kobold willpower.
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I do not know the Pax infrastructure well enough to know if this is indeed the case. But many do hold this perception.It's in their charter:
All individuals are members of the Community first and of a specific Guild or Division second. Pax keeps membership on the individual person and not on the avatars used in various gamesAlong with a lot of other things regarding how the Pax "Inner Sanctum" has ultimate control over its member guilds. Including the authority to overrule guild leaders' decisions, how the Inner Sanctum must select or approve of guild leader selections, and so on. For example:
The Inner Sanctum has the right to veto any and all decisions made by Divisional leadership. The Inner Sanctum also has the right to overturn any decision previously made by divisional leadership.Now I'm not saying how this should influence anyone's opinion regarding Pax getting 2 settlements, but it does seem arguments like "They're just like TEO/T7V!" just aren't accurate.
Hmmm.
Thing is, that's relating to the moderation of the PAX website community, and the rules of behaviour of the flesh-beings behind every keyboard.
I don't see that as having anything to do with the activities of the different player characters or charter companies in game.
To use an analogy that should be familiar to everyone posting here;
Everyone able to communicate on the Paizo forums is a member of Paizo.
They may also be members of a play-by-post game, run by a GM, who is also a Paizo member.
Thus, any player of a PbP is a member of two communities; the specific PbP, and the overall Paizo members.
Those GMs run their groups how they see fit; if one of their players acts up and insults another PbP member, the GM may choose to act, or let it go.
But Paizo has the ultimate authority to delete posts and/or suspend miscreants, as part of the terms and conditions you sign up for as a Paizo member.
I don't see the difference between that situation, and the rights of PAX Inner Sanctum officers, to police their own messageboards. And to adjudicate disputes between Aeturnum or Golgotha members, that have escalated into breaches of the overall PAX community standards.
Rawn has said, here and probably elsewhere, that he couldn't care less if Aeturnum and Golgotha characters go to war.
It seems clear to me, that his responsibility is to ensure the players keep it in-game, and don't poison the forums.
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You will just keep it up until you think you have won and beat me in a fight , won't you ? You need to act more mature in how you treat other people, God did not put them here for you to beat up on verbally .Go ahead and have the last word and declare victory.I'm not real interested in doing that.Are you saying you won't engage in this conversation?..... Hmmm, that does sound vaguely familiar.... where did I read that?I asked you four questions, and that constitutes a verbal beating?
I did point out your hypocrisy, with a bit of sarcasm, but even that is not a verbal beating.
You have been doing little but attacking Pax in this thread, and suddenly you are the victim?
I will be willing to let this thread die and neither of us can have the "victory", if that is O.K. with you?
You called me a troll , that is not OK. If that sticks it damages my reputation so if you say you had no justification for that sort of name calling then the rest is ok with me.
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You will just keep it up until you think you have won and beat me in a fight , won't you ? You need to act more mature in how you treat other people, God did not put them here for you to beat up on verbally .Go ahead and have the last word and declare victory.I'm not real interested in doing that.Are you saying you won't engage in this conversation?..... Hmmm, that does sound vaguely familiar.... where did I read that?Hey, check that mirror out.
You never did answer my question.
Who are you voting for in the land rush?
I will sell you my vote, you tell me who to vote for( don't say Pax ). The price is that you will become my forum bodyguard forever.
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To answer your question, I don't think they need to answer to you, me or anyone else other than GW.
I think that in the end all of us will ultimately be responsible to the PFO Community as a whole. If any of our actions "wakes the sleeping giant", that giant will justifiably seek to rectify the situation. None of us will be able to stop that from happening. No matter what we say, our actions in game will have consequences in game. Too bad the game hasn't started yet. Or has it?
Vote for Mooncalves and I will protect you, Notmyrealname. Just don't ask for references from my previous charges.
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You called me a troll , that is not OK. If that sticks it damages my reputation so if you say you had no justification for that sort of name calling then the rest is ok with me.
As an outside observer it appears you are simply trolling at this point.
I differentiate between a verb and a noun, and I will not apologize for your having converted it in your head. If I intended to call you a "Troll" I would have.
It does not change the impression that I have, that you were just piling on or attempting to get a response you would just jump on. That is the definition of trolling (verb).
I myself have occasionally trolled to get a response I was looking for. I'm actually trained in doing it.
If you feel I'm trolling, you are welcome to call me on it. You may even be right. If you're wrong, I'll make my statement or my question more clear, to assuage the belief that I was simply trolling.
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Vote for Mooncalves and I will protect you, Notmyrealname. Just don't ask for references from my previous charges.I don't see Mooncalves in the Guild Index...
They are highly trained ninja Mammoths. Very difficult to see unless they want to be seen.
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You called me a troll , that is not OK. If that sticks it damages my reputation so if you say you had no justification for that sort of name calling then the rest is ok with me.As an outside observer it appears you are simply trolling at this point.I differentiate between a verb and a noun, and I will not apologize for your having converted it in your head. If I intended to call you a "Troll" I would have.
It does not change the impression that I have, that you were just piling on or attempting to get a response you would just jump on. That is the definition of trolling (verb).
I myself have occasionally trolled to get a response I was looking for. I'm actually trained in doing it.
If you feel I'm trolling, you are welcome to call me on it. You may even be right. If you're wrong, I'll make my statement or my question more clear, to assuage the belief that I was simply trolling.
The reason they call it troll-ing is because you are a troll if you do it . Trolls go trolling ,you cant be trolling without being a troll. Trolls are the ones that do the trolling , non-trolls do not do trolling. This is why I said you need to be more mature , you are trying to avoid the responsibility for what you typed.
Just sign this pledge and we are 'even'.
I ( your name goes here) agree in the future to be more whatever it is you are going on about , not that I get it at all.
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No, no, no. I currently control three major powers in the River Kingdoms. The Mooncalves are worshipers of Groetus. The Mammoth Knights are refugees from the north. And the Heralds are an informal group of artists and recorders.
None are on the Index. Just vote Other.
I differentiate between a verb and a noun, and I will not apologize for your having converted it in your head. If I intended to call you a "Troll" I would have.
Okay, serious time. I want to point out something that's been bothering me.
Yesterday, Notmyrealname said I (and anybody else who swears) is "[acting like] a dick". At the time, I took this at face value and took little offense. But if Notmyrealname equates trolling with being a troll, does he equate acting like a dick with actually being one?
I think words matter here. Honestly, saying someone is trolling should probably be avoided as readily as saying someone is being a dick.
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I ( your name goes here) agree in the future to be more whatever it is you are going on about , not that I get it at all.
I will not sign onto such an open ended pledge that quite honestly makes no sense. Maybe English is not your primary language, so allow me to point out the flaws in your request.
How can I be "whatever" you are going on about? My state of being can not transform into your speech.
Then you expect that I will agree to this, even if I don't get it at all? The only thing I'm getting is some entertainment value out of this. As far as understanding, nope I don't get it.
As far as you not understanding the use of the verb, trolling, you can choose to take it out of context if you wish. If you want to believe I called you a "Troll", go right ahead. My statement is clear for all to see.
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Ryan's told us not to use a portmanteau word containing "care" and "bear" around here. Perhaps it's about time for him to tell us to stop calling each other "monstrous giants with a rough, green hide, clawed hands, and a bestial face with a hideous, tusked underbite. These fearsome monsters regenerate all damage not inflicted through fire or acid, and a full-sized one can regrow from even a tiny scrap of flesh".
Nothing good has yet come from any use of that word on a board.
Zip it, you half-green dragon tarrasque.
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It makes both Pax guilds look bad to me the way Pax withdrew from the thread on page 3 and left all the questions unanswered. Was that decision by both Pax guilds or just Golgotha?
So if I ask a question about if both Pax guilds decided to withdraw from this thread or was it just one that decided , I am trolling? maybe I want to know who thinks they don't need to answer questions about their conduct. Why are you against me asking a question about who was it that decided their guild won't engage in conversation? I don't know if it was just Golgotha , if it was both guilds that makes me think they really do act as one guild and not two.
I am way past caring about who gets what settlement , I care about why Pax wont talk and if it is both guilds . Go get Xeen he is more fun as the Pax Defender.
No one is required to answer or explain anything to you. I'll try to explain, but if you try playing the JAQ card, I'll probably consider this pointless and abandon the conversation.
I guess the withdrawal of Golgotha from this thread is a decent example of divisional leadership jurisdiction. Golgotha can ask its people to just let Morbis' statement stand and otherwise abandon the thread. As far as I am aware, Rawn plans to play PFO, but not necessarily as a Golgothan, so he doesn't need to follow that. I'm probably not going to be a Golgothan any time soon, unless perhaps GW implements necromancy in a way i find interesting...
When it comes to game-specific issues, the division leaders do what best suits the needs of their division in a game. Pax Community leadership deals with our community forum, Teamspeak, and other out-of-game or general-public issues.
Maybe it would be clear enough to say: the leaders of the Pax Gaming Community govern us as gamers, while the division leaders govern us as players.
And yeah, a lot of us are changing from the default 'Pax' tag because it apparently confuses people. I think, since we're not actually players yet, the general 'Pax' identity should work, but maybe we're close enough to being in-game that our specific division identities are more relevant.
As for myself, I'm not using a tag at the moment because I'm not sure whether I'll be a Fidelian eventually, or a full-time Aeternian. I'm rather picky about names, and I like 'Aeternum' better, but I'll probably go wherever arcane magic skills are best supported and most needed.
So, a good comparison would be my attitude towards a lot of people on this subforum—I generally defer to their judgement, since they know MMOs better, but when the game starts, I'll probably be attacking them at will (and ineffectually).
I follow their lead on the forums, and see them as almost like authority figures. But during the game, you better believe I'm gonna ignore their advice like the plague. Even if they're telling me not to go off a cliff or something. Can't tell this guy what to do.
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It makes both Pax guilds look bad to me the way Pax withdrew from the thread on page 3 and left all the questions unanswered. Was that decision by both Pax guilds or just Golgotha?So if I ask a question about if both Pax guilds decided to withdraw from this thread or was it just one that decided , I am trolling? maybe I want to know who thinks they don't need to answer questions about their conduct. Why are you against me asking a question about who was it that decided their guild won't engage in conversation? I don't know if it was just Golgotha , if it was both guilds that makes me think they really do act as one guild and not two.
I am way past caring about who gets what settlement , I care about why Pax wont talk and if it is both guilds . Go get Xeen he is more fun as the Pax Defender.
No one is required to answer or explain anything to you. I'll try to explain, but if you try playing the JAQ card, I'll probably consider this pointless and abandon the conversation.
I guess the withdrawal of Golgotha from this thread is a decent example of divisional leadership jurisdiction. Golgotha can ask its people to just let Morbis' statement stand and otherwise abandon the thread. As far as I am aware, Rawn plans to play PFO, but not necessarily as a Golgothan, so he doesn't need to follow that. I'm probably not going to be a Golgothan any time soon, unless perhaps GW implements necromancy in a way i find interesting.
When it comes to game-specific issues, the division leaders do what best suits the needs of their division in a game. Pax Community leadership deals with our community forum, Teamspeak, and other out-of-game or general-public issues.
Maybe it would be clear enough to say: the leaders of the Pax Gaming Community govern us as gamers, while the division leaders govern us as players.And yeah, a lot of us are changing from the...
You just had to throw in that link to make me look bad, I was really interested in what decisions the 2 Pax guilds make and why they make them but just forget it.
If trolls are people who try to cause trouble, and carebears are people who want to avoid PvP, what are smurfs?
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You just had to throw in that link to make me look bad, I was really interested in what decisions the 2 Pax guilds make and why they make them but just forget it.
It's only a problem if what you really wanted was to badger on with loaded & leading questions. If my ruling that out-of-bounds makes you lose interest, then it looks like what you wanted was a soapbox, not a better understanding.
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If trolls are people who try to cause trouble, and carebears are people who want to avoid PvP, what are smurfs?
They're the whatits & thingies (or more formally, the whatchamacallits & thingamajigs) of the faerie folk. They're kinda like blue gnomes, so as a kobold, you'd probably hate them... especially when they prank you every time you say the name of their species.
No, kobolds have learned to harness the blue folk. I'm saying, what are they a term for? ;D
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Vote for Mooncalves and I will protect you, Notmyrealname. Just don't ask for references from my previous charges.I don't see Mooncalves in the Guild Index...
If you generally assume that anything Kobold Cleaver (or any of his aliases) is posting is meant to be humorous and entertaining, you'll usually be right and you'll often be entertained :)
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You just had to throw in that link to make me look bad, I was really interested in what decisions the 2 Pax guilds make and why they make them but just forget it.It's only a problem if what you really wanted was to badger on with loaded & leading questions. If my ruling that out-of-bounds makes you lose interest, then it looks like what you wanted was a soapbox, not a better understanding.
Look , if I don't like having a post to me including a link to 'people that cause trouble for no good reason', that does not make me guilty of it . Stop spreading the Pax goodwill please , you are just personally attacking me and I have not done that to any Pax member.
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He specifically said "if you try playing the JAQ card" [emphasis mine]. That seems to me not accusing you of it, but warning you of it.
I'm well aware of how character assassination works , it was put in to link my name with that behavior as if I am known as a person that might do it.