Hedge Witch and Spontaneous Healing and PFS


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I am thinking of making a Hedge Witch. Does this power kick in at 1st level or does it kick in at 4th?


It replaces the level 4 hex, so it is gained at level 4.

For reference: Hedge Witch archetype


Thank you. Wasn't quite sure since it sounded like something that would have started at first.


Actually, it's true that it replaces the hex of the 4th level, but there is nothing saying that you gain this Features at 4th, so by RAW you get it at level 1.


So if I were to play in a Pathfinder Society Game with this character would it start at 1 or 4?

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T.A.U. wrote:
Actually, it's true that it replaces the hex of the 4th level, but there is nothing saying that you gain this Features at 4th, so by RAW you get it at level 1.

It says it "Replaces the witches hex "GAINED" at lvl 4." I think that is pretty clear that when the witch gains a hex at 4, instead this ability replaces it.

Otherwise the witch would also gain Empathic Healing at lvl one as well, since it uses the same working for that ability.


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MurphysParadox wrote:
It replaces the level 4 hex, so it is gained at level 4.

This does not follow.

As written, the hedge witch gains both archetype abilities at level 1.

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redviiper wrote:
So if I were to play in a Pathfinder Society Game with this character would it start at 1 or 4?
Quote:
This replaces the witch’s hex gained at 4th level.

At my table it would be 4th level.

This may be a table variance thing, but I think the RAW is kinda clear it is granted at 4th level.


James Risner wrote:
redviiper wrote:
So if I were to play in a Pathfinder Society Game with this character would it start at 1 or 4?
Quote:
This replaces the witch’s hex gained at 4th level.

At my table it would be 4th level.

This may be a table variance thing, but I think the RAW is kinda clear it is granted at 4th level.

Since pretty much every other archetype ability that replaces an ability at a level higher than first specifically states "At nth level, ...", and since there are archetype abilities that are gained at different levels than the abilities they replace, it's clear to me that the ability is not granted at 1st level. *shrug*


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The Winter Witch archetype has Cold Flesh. It states it replaces the 4th level hex, but explicitly calls out effects at 1st level. Thus it is a 1st level thing.

Otherwise, you do not count as having something until the feature is gained. Since this ability replaces a 4th level feature, and has no special text, it comes online at 4th.

/cevah


Cevah wrote:

The Winter Witch archetype has Cold Flesh. It states it replaces the 4th level hex, but explicitly calls out effects at 1st level. Thus it is a 1st level thing.

Otherwise, you do not count as having something until the feature is gained. Since this ability replaces a 4th level feature, and has no special text, it comes online at 4th.

/cevah

That has no more weight than asserting that since nearly every other archetype ability gained above 1st level specifically states "At X level", lacking that phrase means the ability is gained at first level. Less weight, actually, since you provide one example while the other method has nearly every relevant ability writeup as precedent.

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