Physical changes from worship, an idea


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Stolen directly from the cartoon Wakfu.

Basically, in that world, ones race can be altered by worshiping one of the deities. By choosing a patron, and living by that patrons rules/ideals, each person changes to fit whatever form the deity finds most appealing. Usually some variant of the deity's own form.

What does everyone think about this?

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Sarenrae actually has a bit of this going on with some of her clergy: Some priests' skin will gradually grow extremely dark as if from the most hardcore tanning ever or will grow extremely pale, as if the color were bleached out of their skin by the sun.

That's the only spontaneous change I can think of mentioned for the Inner Sea gods off the top of my head.


So, 'human' or something else might be the default race, and each other race is associated with a deity? You could definitely make a world work with this. It would make it immediately obvious who someone worships.

Those guys over there are goblins. Therefore, they worship the god of mayhem and arson. If they didn't, they wouldn't be goblins. It'd be hard to have a sympathetic 'monster' character unless the gods are very lenient regarding what amount of worship is required.

I dunno much about Wakfu except that it's French.


I definitely recommend watching it. It's very good.

And yeah, I was thinking the 'base' race would be human or human like with racial abilities changing or being added when one chooses a patron.

not sure how I would handle kids, especially if they're from mixed marriages. Would they take after their parents unless they choose another patron later on? or would they be the 'base' race?

I'm thinking it would do away with 'half-X' races though.
e.g. Either you're a full orc and worship Grumblegruff or you're not.


Am I the only one who's seeing some disturbing implications in this idea?


I think I know what you mean.

Race in this context would mean a totally different thing than it does in the real world or even in conventional Pathfinder, but the implications would be difficult to avoid.

Perhaps, you could ensure that ethnic race is retained regardless of 'divine aspect', to distinguish between the two.


Also, I could have use for an idea like this despite the somewhat bothersome implications.

I can really call humanity out on being evil, since their patron in 3.5e was a Lawful Evil speciesist.


Or have multiple gods for each race.

For a 3.5 using this rule, people that worship Elistraee turn into drow, and so do those that worship Lolth.

You meet a drow on the road. There's no knowing if he/she is good or evil. Or neutral (one step removed).


I might allow that for other races, drow being a good example.

However, I hate my own kind too much to give humanity that luxury ;D


Disturbing Implications? How so?

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Umbral Reaver wrote:
Perhaps, you could ensure that ethnic race is retained regardless of 'divine aspect', to distinguish between the two.

Ethnic race + divinely granted template?

Like say, Gozreh worshippers get leaf hair. You would still be able to tell a Mwangi human from a Chelish human from a gnome, but you'd also be able to tell they were all Gozreh worshippers because of the leaf hair.


Also, why have evil gods in the first place?

In wakfu none of the gods are evil. At worst, they're neutral. The only evil equivalent outsiders are demons.

And in wakfu some of them were more chaotic than evil really.


Pathfinder and D&D work with the whole "good vs evil / law vs chaos" shtick.

Mikaze wrote:
Umbral Reaver wrote:
Perhaps, you could ensure that ethnic race is retained regardless of 'divine aspect', to distinguish between the two.

Ethnic race + divinely granted template?

Like say, Gozreh worshippers get leaf hair. You would still be able to tell a Mwangi human from a Chelish human from a gnome, but you'd also be able to tell they were all Gozreh worshippers because of the leaf hair.

I think it might be more extreme than that, like Gozreh worshippers becoming Ghorans, while followers of Gorum turn into Orcs.


In that case, you'd get Chelish humans turning into Chelish orcs if they chose to worship Gorum.


How would you go about implementing the change in Golarion? Like, maybe another major event like the Starfall forcing the gods to 'bond' with their worshipers more?


heh Cheliax will be FULL of devil imaged teiflings...


Which gods would 'claim' which races? Or the other way around? What happens to Rahadoum?

Edit: Normally I'm rather bothered by Calistria's 'mean girl' schtick, but if she's granting divine hotness to followers, well... that's another story. ;D


Though what would Calistria's worshippers become; sexy elves? XD


Hmm Rahadoum... Well for one all the hidden worshipers will suddenly become VERY noticeable...

Everyone else would just be baseline 'generic' race I suppose.

I'm more interested in what would happen in RAmziran? Would the false god be exposed as a fraud or would he be able to fake even this?


I'd rather name the "generic" race "the faithless", and maybe have Mongrelfolk hold that role?

And yeah, Razmir would be exposed as a fake god unless he creates his own race of followers or something.

He is a level 19th Wizard, after all. I wouldn't find it too far-fetched for him to transform his worshippers via arcane magic.


Some kind of mass polymorph? Or illusion?


Since Razmir has access to 9th level spell, he might have used a Wish to transform all his followers.

Maybe he carried it a bit further, and made it so that anyone who converts will also transform that way.

That, or maybe he created his own, 9th level version of the Greater Polymorph spell that only affects Razmiri.


I have this image of him creating a vast country spanning illusion that makes everyone within his kingdom look like his 'chosen race' and then banning anyone from leaving other than his 'priests'. kind of like old isolationist Japan but for 'religious' reasons.


Dot for later.


Natan Linggod 972 wrote:
What does everyone think about this?

I think it sounds pretty cool, I like the idea that your life style and magic changes you. One thought though, is that not every character with a patron lives by the lifestyle of their deity.


Would be kind of difficult to hide if you start worshiping Sarenrae and your hair starts burning...


Sissyl wrote:
Would be kind of difficult to hide if you start worshiping Sarenrae and your hair starts burning...

The trick is to wear a nice hat.

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