Multiple Witches and Evil Eye

[Jeff Merola]

So, this question came up on the PFS GM board, and I wanted to get something cleared up. Can multiple witches stack Evil Eye on the same target to debuff the same thing. The argument for it (which I don't buy) is that since penalties usually stack and Evil Eye is not a spell, you could have 4 witches drop someone's saves by -8 with no save.

Now, personally, I don't think this is intentional (and I'm not even sure if it's RAW).

Oh, and the other guy flat out refused to agree that the FAQ on stacking the Evil Eye applies, because it only refers to a single witch.

[Momo Kimura]

Doing a quick faq check I found this.

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Witch, Evil Eye Hex: Can I use this hex more than once on a target?

Yes. As long as you apply a different penalty with each use of the hex (AC, ability checks, attack rolls, saving throws, or skill checks), you can have multiple penalties on the same target. Applying the same hex penalty to a target just resets the duration to the most recent use of the hex.

Example: On round 1, you hex the target's AC. On round 2, you hex the target's attack rolls, so the target now has two evil eye hexes on it. On round 3, you hex the target's saving throws, so it now has three evil eye hexes on it. On round 4, you hex its AC again, resetting the duration of the AC-hex (which does not add an additional –2 penalty to its AC). The same thing would happen if two witches were using evil eye on the same target--as long as each evil eye hex applied a penalty to a different thing, they'd all apply.

This doesn't violate the general rule for stacking penalties--each evil eye effect is basically a different source, even though they stem from the evil eye hex (the evil eye hex is much like 5 separate weak hexes under a common umbrella). In the same way that multiple castings of bestow curse on the same target should stack as long as they do different things (penalize Strength, penalize Dex, penalize attack rolls, take no action, and so on), multiple uses of the evil eye hex stack as long as they're targeting different game statistics.

—Sean K Reynolds, 07/26/11

[Jeff Merola]

Momo Kimura wrote:

Doing a quick faq check I found this.

If you'll read the last line of my post, I addressed that already.

Edit: Nevermind, this topic is pointless. As someone pointed out in the other thread, there's already language in the FAQ about multiple witches. I just missed it the first time.

[Maezer]

Penalties don't stack with themselves. In this case the source of the penalty is Evil Eye (su). If they don't agree you attack them with a horde of Archons and see how they survive -2*horde penalty on Attacks/AC/Saves.