Withdrawing and AoOs


Rules Questions


I know you can provoke an AoO if you withdraw through a second threatened square, just curious if you can take AoO's if somehow someone provokes from you WHILE you are withdrawing. What brought this up is the barbarian rage ability "No Escape" (I think that's the name) says you can follow a withdrawing person, but would the barbarian provoke from the withdrawer because he follows through? He technically passes through several of the threatened squares from the withdrawer. (I suppose same would go with the follow-up step feat)


I don't think so. Withdrawing is a full round action, and I've never seen any rule implying that a character can AoO while it's still their turn. Also, if the no escape thing is reactionary, then the barbarian is only leaving the space after its no longer threatened.

It's a pretty fuzzy situation, rule wise. But I would personally rule no.


I suppose it could also be said that the barbarian would only enter the space after the movement is done... shrug, I was just thinking of doing a "no escape" barb/fighter build. all the step-up feats as well as the barb rage power, could prove to be a powerful (or fool-hardy) in-your-face anti-caster setup.

Liberty's Edge

Withdrawing is indeed a full round action. That can be resolved just by looking in on the chart for action types.

Attacks of opportunity can be taken by the character whose turn it is. This isn't as simple, but essentially, the text on AoOs doesn't make this distinction. Suggest taking it to a separate thread if that isn't clear rather derailing this one.

What's at question is whether an AoO can be taken while withdrawing, specifically.

There is no prohibition in the rules against taking an AoO while withdrawing. The normal rules for AoOs apply in the absence of text to the contrary. See the text for full defense for an example of how such a prohibition is worded.


So a something with reach could technically take an AoO against said barbarian using "no escape" to follow them through a withdraw action, since they technically pass through a threatened space of that something. That's how I see it at least.


Or, hell, passing through any of the spaces that are threatened should provoke.


prd wrote:


No Escape (Ex): The barbarian can move up to double her normal speed as an immediate action but she can only use this ability when an adjacent foe uses a withdraw action to move away from her. She must end her movement adjacent to the enemy that used the withdraw action. The barbarian provokes attacks of opportunity as normal during this movement. This power can only be used once per rage.

Player uses withdraw action and does full movement - provoking AoO's along the way for all but the first square moved from.

Barbarian then uses immediate action to activate no escape and moves up to double her move speed, ending next to withdrawing character. Provoking AoO's along the way - including from the player they are chasing if they have reach or the barbarians movement takes them past and around behind the escapee.

Note that no escape does not require a charge like straight line movement to the escapee. The barbarian can take any movement path they like so long as it ends them adjacent to said escapee.

Liberty's Edge

Stellari wrote:
So a something with reach could technically take an AoO against said barbarian using "no escape" to follow them through a withdraw action, since they technically pass through a threatened space of that something. That's how I see it at least.

Character A withdraws. Barbarian uses "no escape" to move up to double move as an immediate action, ending adjacent to character A. Barbarian provokes from this movement as normal. If barbarian leaves a square threatened by Character A or anyone else, barbarian provokes an AoO from movement as normal. Reach by Character A will often allow this AoO, but barbarian doesn't have to follow in the exact path and/or may be able to make use of cover to prevent the AoO. Barbarian doesn't repeatedly follow up; rather he moves once via the immediate action.

Note: Passing through a threatened space doesn't provoke. Leaving a threatened square provokes. This may sound a bit pedantic, but if you think of it as "passing through," you'll have situations where you'll approach a ruling based on that. Keep the distinction clear and it's better for understanding how all the rules fit together.

No Escape (Ex):
The barbarian can move up to double her normal speed as an immediate action but she can only use this ability when an adjacent foe uses a withdraw action to move away from her. She must end her movement adjacent to the enemy that used the withdraw action. The barbarian provokes attacks of opportunity as normal during this movement. This power can only be used once per rage.

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