What Exotic Weapon is that?
And this feat is very niche... But strangely nice if you use it right.
I have a Fighter(TWW) who has gotten use out of it with his Quickdraw Shield...
The only other user I can think of that would benefit is a Weapons Master Monk of Many Styles who needs a free hand for Crane Style and/or Deflect Arrows yet still wishes to use his quarterstaff.
@Bearlock: It is more of increasing AC while still being able to attack with my weapon.
Quarterstaff is the easiest Double Weapon to use and the easiest, and cheapest, to craft.
Plus we are fighting a lot of Skeletons, using Slow XP, and we have Low-Wealth by level.
Meaning that when my Two-Weapon Warrior gets Perfect Balance I will have No TWF Penalty and can always switch to wielding it 1-Handed and Quickdraw his shield for some added defense. At least until I can get the open feat to trade Quarterstaff Master for a different feat and get TWD. Which is at Level 8. Only 2 More levels after this Friday.
I was typing on my Droid X2. Not so good with the long posts...
It apparently will get better as we progress but it is still going to be around Half-WBL...
But the only reason why I took that Feat was to have an easier way of increasing my AC. Sadly, I couldn't get TWD do to some bad planning on my part. Heck I just got the TWF Feat.
Quarterstaff is the easiest Double Weapon to use and the easiest, and cheapest, to craft.
Plus we are fighting a lot of Skeletons, using Slow XP, and we have Low-Wealth by level.
Meaning that when my Two-Weapon Warrior gets Perfect Balance I will have No TWF Penalty and can always switch to wielding it 1-Handed and Quickdraw his shield for some added defense. At least until I can get the open feat to trade Quarterstaff Master for a different feat and get TWD. Which is at Level 8. Only 2 More levels after this Friday.
Using Qstaff this way is also the only weapon I can think of that can be used in all three fighting styles (weapon and shield, TWF and THF)
Plus what if you just found a really bonzer Qstaff?? Thos eof us who play low WBL/low magic cant just go buy any weapon we feel like and just whip one up in a pot of pink paste, so weapon are sometimes dictated by "this is the best one I can find"
My wife plays a ninja with a double katana walking stick, is considering taking qstaff master just for all the different possibilities.
Staff & Shield is surprisingly nice. And the image is sweet.
From what I could see is that the feat was created for the Staff Magus who gets it for free, but it was created as a feat so that if players and dm's wanted to experiment with that combat style, they could. Staff and shield , anyone?There's really no reason to want to wield it one handed unless you're a staff magus. You either use it as a double weapon or two hand it for 1.5x strength.
That leaves you paying 3 feats for +1 attack and +2 damage.
Or you could take exotic proficiency and focus in a 1d8 double weapon for +1 attack and +1 damage for 2 feats and either x3 or 19-20 crits.
the thing I dont like is , technically, by reading a double weapon description, being able to use it one handed (and thereby by using only one end of the weapon) is a default ability of the weapon. so the feat technically doesnt do anything for you but let you specialize with out being a fighter....?
the thing I dont like is , technically, by reading a double weapon description, being able to use it one handed (and thereby by using only one end of the weapon) is a default ability of the weapon. so the feat technically doesnt do anything for you but let you specialize with out being a fighter....?
It's still a two-handed weapon, even if you only use one end. The feat lets you wield it like a one-handed weapon.
Using it 1-Handed makes it Improvised. It can only be a Double or 2-Handed Weapon.
The shield was part of our small amount of Loot. It was originally given for our Shielded Fighter who quit because of them not liking our GM being a Woman. & Yes, he is both Racist & Sexist.
Quarterstaff master is useful for a wood oracle. Wood weapon only becomes worth it if you're using it to get a quarterstaff because you get both ends enchanted. You want the option of 1hd wielding for spellcasting.
It's still a two-handed weapon, even if you only use one end. The feat lets you wield it like a one-handed weapon.
the thing I dont like is , technically, by reading a double weapon description, being able to use it one handed (and thereby by using only one end of the weapon) is a default ability of the weapon. so the feat technically doesnt do anything for you but let you specialize with out being a fighter....?
Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.
The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.
It's still a two-handed weapon, even if you only use one end. The feat lets you wield it like a one-handed weapon.
the thing I dont like is , technically, by reading a double weapon description, being able to use it one handed (and thereby by using only one end of the weapon) is a default ability of the weapon. so the feat technically doesnt do anything for you but let you specialize with out being a fighter....?Double Weapons: Dire flails, dwarven urgroshes, gnome hooked hammers, orc double axes, quarterstaves, and two-bladed swords are double weapons. A character can fight with both ends of a double weapon as if fighting with two weapons, but he incurs all the normal attack penalties associated with two-weapon combat, just as though the character were wielding a one-handed weapon and a light weapon.
The character can also choose to use a double weapon two-handed, attacking with only one end of it. A creature wielding a double weapon in one hand can't use it as a double weapon—only one end of the weapon can be used in any given round.
Emphasis mine, and what I think you were trying to make a point of.
If that was the case, the feat would be worthless. Why take a feat to do something you can do already by RAW?
Using it 1-Handed makes it Improvised. It can only be a Double or 2-Handed Weapon.That is why. (Technically I think it becomes "inappropriately sized", not improvised) It is still a two-handed weapon you're trying to use in one hand. Can you wield it in one hand and only use one end? Yes, but at a penalty. The feat takes the penalty away.
But there is no RAW that says that. the RAW says you can use it one handed, with the only draw back being you can only use one ned at a time. RAW doesn't state it can only be used double or two handed, it states it CAN be used one handed.... see my confusion?
Interesting... I defiantly retraining it now...
...It's more open to interpretation I think. Sensibly, aside from a staff, do you really think you could properly attack with one end of a double weapon? It's something designed to be used in two hands. It's big. Imagine swinging a sword, but with another sword attached at the pommel pointing back at you. Let alone another axe head or spiked ball on a chain.
If I remember correctly, in 3.5 the wording was that any creature "a size category larger" wielding it in one hand could only attack with one end.
Its kind of a paradox I guess, because
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It's not a two handed weapon it's a double weapon and it specifically states in it's own entry it can be used two handed (oops with the other blade pointing back at you??) and with ONE hand, you just have to choose which end you are attacking with, that's what it exactly says.
Which totally eclipses the Q-staff master feat.... this line on double weapons has been there for YEARS.
And yes, it would not be that hard, even IRL to swing a double bladed sword one handed.
For reference on this watch the THOR movie. Syf uses a double bladed sword exclusively and uses it one handed, two handed and as a double weapon. she even uses it with one hand and a shield in the other.
Or actually train in a Double Sword. It earns its Exotic Weapon status do to the fact it is awkward to wield, but is absolutely worth the training.
So lets just say he doesn't take Q-staff master, and instead takes.. wait ...for...it.... Skill Focus UMD!!!!! Then he can get himself a wand of Shillelagh! Turn both ends of the weapon into a 2d6 double weapon!! It will Kick the butts off of the other double weapons.. and Many of the 2handed weapons.
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Yay! I get free retraining! Also might I suggest Paizo rethink this feat...
But there is no RAW that says that. the RAW says you can use it one handed, with the only draw back being you can only use one ned at a time. RAW doesn't state it can only be used double or two handed, it states it CAN be used one handed.... see my confusion?
That's not what RAW states at all. It says if you do wield it one handed... etc. It doesn't grant any special ability two use a two-handed double weapon one-handed, but in the event you can (a Titan Mauler Barbarian can wield a two-handed weapon one-handed, for example, and a medium creature can use a small two-handed weapon one-handed) you can only use one end at a time.
AFAIK, all double weapons published to date are two-handed weapons, i.e. they are listed as such on their respective weapon table. The Q-staff is undeniably listed as a two-handed simple weapon.
It's not a two handed weaponShow me a double weapon that is not listed on a weapons table under two handed, whether it be simple, martial or exotic.
Here. Search for Taiaha.
And Double Bladed Swords do exist. Oddly though they were specialized for defense and are surprisingly easy to use. It involves a lot of rotating your body with the swing.
You said show you a double weapon that is not listed under Two-Handed. I did.