Spear Thrower


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Trying to put together a Spear chucking Barbarian for upcoming Council of Thieves campaign.
Not sure if 15, 20, or 25 point buy yet.
Here is what I have:

Build Possibilities:

Possible Classes: Hurler Barbarian, True Primitive, or Urban Barbarian
Possible Races: Angel-Blooded Aasimar w/Scion of Humanity trait, Oni-Spawn Tiefling w/Prehensile Tail & Fiendish Sprinter traits, or Half-Orc w/Shaman's Apprentice & Toothy traits.
Possible feats: Rhino Charge, Charging Hurler, Two-Handed Thrower, Quick Draw, Improved Charging Hurler, Point-Blank Shot, Deadly Aim, Rapid Shot, Precise Shot, Opening Volley, Distance Thrower.
Possible traits: Strong Arm Supple Wrist, Orc Impaler, Deadly Rush, Berserker of the Society, Coherent Rage.
Possible Rage Powers: Lesser Hurling, Hurling Charge, Greater Hurling

Any advice is welcome.


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Nothing in the way of mechanical advice but here's something: his name should definitely be Spearchucker Jones!

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Abyssian wrote:
Nothing in the way of mechanical advice but here's something: his name should definitely be Spearchucker Jones!

I would have to base it off of the Fred Williamson version, as I would have to be chucking spears like a Boss.


whoa whoa easy with he name calling fellas!


Is 3rd party stuff allowed?

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Who calling people names?

This is a matter of titles, like "Morning Owl".

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Cheapy wrote:

Is 3rd party stuff allowed?

No, but any Pathfinder book is allowed.


Wow, the M*A*S*H character purposely flirts with the racial slur; "Boss" is just outright as-racist-as-words-get bad!


Uhhhhhh...you do realize "spear chucker" is an ethnic slur for black males, yes?

Edit: Ninja'd. I guess you do. :p

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Obviously, I am using the literal usage of the term.

If you prefer, "Spear thrower" then.


Maybe a name like Malikwa!

Intergalactic civil war?


blackbloodtroll wrote:
Cheapy wrote:

Is 3rd party stuff allowed?

No, but any Pathfinder book is allowed.

They're Pathfinder books too :p

I'm sure you're aware of the items in UE that lets thrown weapon builds work better. Blinkback Belt would work great.

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Well, I will eventually want a Belt of Mighty Hurling, but the Blinkback Belt is hard to pass up.


Urgh, there's another item that helps thrown weapon users, but I can't remember its name.

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Efficient Quiver?


No, that still requires individually enchanted items.

There were three items in UE that helped with thrown weapon warriors, since they let you use the same weapon over and over.

One was the blinkback belt, one was the dagger of doubling (although that's dagger only...obviously), and the third was...I don't remember. And that's bugging me. It may have been the Called enhancement, but that's a swift action.


Down with Paizo!

Down with Blackbloodtroll!

Vive le Galt!

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The Called weapon enchantment?


Yea, that one. Swift action to get it back in your hand.

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I still not sure if I can combine the Charging Hurler feat, and the Hurling Charge Rage Power.

My hope, is that they can be combined.


blackbloodtroll wrote:

I still not sure if I can combine the Charging Hurler feat, and the Hurling Charge Rage Power.

My hope, is that they can be combined.

Combine how? To charge and make 2 hurling attacks? Or to stack the bonuses?

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thejeff wrote:
blackbloodtroll wrote:

I still not sure if I can combine the Charging Hurler feat, and the Hurling Charge Rage Power.

My hope, is that they can be combined.

Combine how? To charge and make 2 hurling attacks? Or to stack the bonuses?

Two thrown attacks instead of a thrown and a melee.

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Any thoughts on Races, Feats, Traits, Archetypes, Rage Powers?


You're getting almost as good as Ravingdork at finding strange intersections of the rules.

I can see both sides of the argument for whether that works, although currently I'm leaning towards it does work. You'd take a -4 penalty to AC, of course.

Honestly, any argument for or against is going to get far more esoteric than the authors of the feats and rage power probably meant, so ask your GM.

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Can I combine Charging Hurler and Two-Handed Thrower, if I have Quickdraw?


I believe so.


i still say that charging hurler is not a charge so you cant combine the two, but if the gm allows it who cares.

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Should I focus on the Spear, or Shortspear?


Jupp wrote:
i still say that charging hurler is not a charge so you cant combine the two, but if the gm allows it who cares.

That's an argument I thought of as well, and I think there's some merit to it. But then I figured that's thinking too hard about it, so just ask the GM :)

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Jupp wrote:
i still say that charging hurler is not a charge so you cant combine the two, but if the gm allows it who cares.

Why would the ability to charge with a thrown weapon provided by the Charging Hurler feat, not be a charge?

Actually, this is being discussed here.


bcause it says you use the rules for charge, that means by raw its not a charge, but uses the same guidlines for the effect of the ability.

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Okay, I will leave the rules discussion to the Rules Forum.

Any advice on the build?


Cheapy wrote:

You're getting almost as good as Ravingdork at finding strange intersections of the rules.

I can see both sides of the argument for whether that works, although currently I'm leaning towards it does work. You'd take a -4 penalty to AC, of course.

Honestly, any argument for or against is going to get far more esoteric than the authors of the feats and rage power probably meant, so ask your GM.

Is that -4 AC to take the two actions or do you think the +2 charge bonuses stack as well? It's hard for me to see one stacking, but not the other.

I'd give it to you. 2 thrown attacks at +2 attack, -2 AC middle and end of a charge. It's no better than Hurling Charge by itself and you have to spend a feat to do it.

It's pretty situational, given the movement required.


Bonuses from the same source don't stack, but I don't recall seeing anything about that for penalties. I may have missed a rule though.


i like it alot, i would go with a normal spear since you will have more then enough strength for holding 10 at a time. my only concern is if you will have the money to enchant all the spears you will need during a fight.

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Well, up until I can afford a Called Spear or Blinkback Belt, I figure I will stick with Masterwork Spears. Maybe Obsidian Spears for a cheaper route.


what will you do later on when you have high DR targets? also are you planning on splitting ranged and melee, or only throwing things?

also will you have a main spear and then secondary spears? or is your goal to use all the same enchantment bonuses?

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If I want to use the Blinkback Belt, I will have to use Shortspears.

Combine that with the Called enchantment, and I should be able to get all of the Shortspear off at 16th and beyond.


wre you planning on going with snap shot feat line? so you would need aditional spears.

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Shortspears are throwable melee weapons. No need for Snap Shot.

See above spoiler in the OP for the feats I was considering.


I'd go with the name "Equinsu ocha"! and constantly hit people in the legs with spears! So perhaps a pale tiefling is in order?

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ub3r_n3rd wrote:
I'd go with the name "Equinsu ocha"! and constantly hit people in the legs with spears! So perhaps a pale tiefling is in order?

I have always found Ace Ventura obnoxious. The animated series was worse.


Short spears don't have reach, which is what I think Jupp's question was about: threatening at range.

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What about the Race and the Archetype?

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Cheapy wrote:
Short spears don't have reach, which is what I think Jupp's question was about: threatening at range.

Is that a better path?

I am in the very rough draft of this build.


I have no clue. It's an expensive feat path though.

And I'm sure there are people who will claim that you can't use two-handed thrower on an AoO with snap shot since it only says you can make as many attacks as your iteratives, and those are for full attacks only...Damn this guy gets more complicated by the post.

Carrying a few pilums would be a smart move too.

The reason I asked about the 3pp thing was because Maxximilius wrote a peltast archetype for our pdf we wrote, and that guy focused on throwing weapons as a method of debuffs and some damage.

No clue about archetypes, although I like half-orc the best.

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Can Shot on the Run be used with Charging Hurler?


No. Different actions.

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I think you are right on the choice of Half-Orc.

I would like this PC to be throwing focused, with melee capabilities.

The Hurler Barbarian archetype makes sense, but the Urban Barbarian archetype has the benefit of pumping Dex if needed.

The Savage Barbarian archetype stacks with both, but really only benefits an Unarmored PC.

Once I nab Quickdraw, I can whip out a Quickdraw Shield for my off-turns.


I think that with a thrower, keeping that move speed boost is important. That way you can skirmish more effectively if need be, able to run much faster than your enemies. If you're stuck at 30', you can't really gain ground on them. That's why I don't recommend Hurler, and almost recommend not choosing it. That's also a strike against urban barbarian, but that's just how I see a thrower working: as a skirmisher.

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