Do you mean Icy Prison from Ultimate Magic?
If so, it works just fine against undead.
From the description of the spell it looks like Fortitude negates is error in spell stats. Reflex partial is actual save, which means that it works on Undeads and Constructs.
where is Icy Tomb from (since I don;t think you mean the Icy Prison spell seeing as you reference it later on in your question)?
I'm guessing E I is referring to Ice Tomb, a witch major hex.
found it... in that case I don;t see why that hex wouldn't affect undead... although it requires a fortitude save it doesn't specifically say that it can't be used to affect objects. I would certainly allow a witch to use it to freeze a statue or other inanimate object in my games if she wanted to.
Indeed. If he meant the witch major hex from Ultimate Magic, then it works on undead just fine. Note that it doesn't say "creature," "target creature," or "living creature."
It merely says "target," meaning that the target can be anything, including an object. Since it can be used on an object, it can be used on undead, despite forcing a Fortitude save.
RAW: Undeads, Constructs and objects are immune to effects that require Fortitude saving throw unless said effect states it can affect objects.
Not affecting objects by Fortitude-save effects is default, affecting is exception so unless effect states it affects we should assume it can't.
Icy Tomb hex does not state that it can affect objects so it won't affect object. Thus it won't affect Construct or Undead, regretfully.
Do you mean Icy Prison from Ultimate Magic?
If so, it works just fine against undead.
From the description of the spell it looks like Fortitude negates is error in spell stats. Reflex partial is actual save, which means that it works on Undeads and Constructs.
While the order of the saves may be written incorrectly, Icy prison does have two saves, one for partial one to negate. "Saving Throw Reflex partial, Fortitude negates (see text);" the fort save there means that undead are immune to it.
Would it be more logical to write them the other way? Yes, "Fortitude negates, Reflex partial,(see text);" would look better. That doesn't mean the fortitude save should be removed. TBH the odd formatting is making me think an editor tacked Fort save onto the end because of balance concerns.
http://paizo.com/forums/dmtz4nde?Icy-prison-spell#1
Does anyone see if there are potential issues of house ruling Ice Tomb to be a Reflex save for half?
It seems to me that is it more or less the same as SKR's unofficial errata of Icy Prison.
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I'd agree that the spell Icy Prison and the major hex Ice Tomb are meant to have the same save, but it'd be good to get some confirmation.
This post was originally about Ice Tomb and it seems it's lost its way a bit with the confusion with regards to Icy Prison (which got a clearer errata).
Wouldn't the undead still be encased in ice? The creature is encased in ice regardless of the save. Undead are immune to all the parts involving a Fortitude save (the damage, paralysis and unconsciousness) but not the imprisonment in ice or staggered condition, which affect all creatures. Or does "immune to any effect that requires a Fortitude save" mean immune to the effect and everything else that the same action does regardless of whether it requires a save?
That doesn't make practical sense, though; because just being a zombie or whatever shouldn't make you immune to being covered in ice.
Text of the power, from http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/base-classes/witch
Ice Tomb (Su): A storm of ice and freezing wind envelops the target, which takes 3d8 points of cold damage (Fortitude half). If the target fails its save, it is paralyzed and unconscious but does not need to eat or breathe while the ice lasts. The ice has 20 hit points; destroying the ice frees the creature, which is staggered for 1d4 rounds after being released. Whether or not the target’s saving throw is successful, it cannot be the target of this hex again for 1 day. Source: Ultimate Magic