"Is that a man sitting on your shoulder?"


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So true seeing says you can see the true form of things that are polymorphed and what not, right?

Does that mean that if the druid has turned into a monkey and is attempting to be sneaky by sitting on the fighters shoulder, people with true seeing just see a guy impossibly perched there?

Do you think it would throw you off if your true seeing let you see some crazy guy charging you on the battle field, waving his hands in the air, ooking like an ape until he just slams into you with way more power than he should have?

Or running around on all fours?

Do you rule that true seeing let's you "know" its a polymorphed person or do see the polymorph as a veil around a person doing animal like things?


You should be able to see both forms. Your eyes actually see the monkey, but true seeing lets you know what is really there. How to explain it in game is up to the GM. I explain it as the true form imposed over the false one, but the magic lets you know which one is real.

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Think of it like looking at a 3D drawing of a cube on grid paper. You can see all the edges, even the ones that should be hidden from view.


Mergy wrote:
Think of it like looking at a 3D drawing of a cube on grid paper. You can see all the edges, even the ones that should be hidden from view.

But doesn't someone's head explode as they watch the outline of the person do something that is impossible due to physics, like perch on a shoulder or crawl through a small space?

Maybe I just like the mental image of a man flapping his arms wildly and coming in for a landing on someone's outstretched arm.

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Iden wrote:
Mergy wrote:
Think of it like looking at a 3D drawing of a cube on grid paper. You can see all the edges, even the ones that should be hidden from view.

But doesn't someone's head explode as they watch the outline of the person do something that is impossible due to physics, like perch on a shoulder or crawl through a small space?

Maybe I just like the mental image of a man flapping his arms wildly and coming in for a landing on someone's outstretched arm.

I imagine that a vital portion of the True Seeing spell is preparing the mind to see what is really there without going mad at every single inconsistency. It's a world where magic and shape-changing seem to be relatively commonplace, so I wouldn't expect a spell that revealed the truth to be unreliable or madness-inducing.


Mergy wrote:
Iden wrote:
Mergy wrote:
Think of it like looking at a 3D drawing of a cube on grid paper. You can see all the edges, even the ones that should be hidden from view.

But doesn't someone's head explode as they watch the outline of the person do something that is impossible due to physics, like perch on a shoulder or crawl through a small space?

Maybe I just like the mental image of a man flapping his arms wildly and coming in for a landing on someone's outstretched arm.

I imagine that a vital portion of the True Seeing spell is preparing the mind to see what is really there without going mad at every single inconsistency. It's a world where magic and shape-changing seem to be relatively commonplace, so I wouldn't expect a spell that revealed the truth to be unreliable or madness-inducing.

Call of Cthulhu pathfinder... Why not?


Iden wrote:
Mergy wrote:
Iden wrote:
Mergy wrote:
Think of it like looking at a 3D drawing of a cube on grid paper. You can see all the edges, even the ones that should be hidden from view.

But doesn't someone's head explode as they watch the outline of the person do something that is impossible due to physics, like perch on a shoulder or crawl through a small space?

Maybe I just like the mental image of a man flapping his arms wildly and coming in for a landing on someone's outstretched arm.

I imagine that a vital portion of the True Seeing spell is preparing the mind to see what is really there without going mad at every single inconsistency. It's a world where magic and shape-changing seem to be relatively commonplace, so I wouldn't expect a spell that revealed the truth to be unreliable or madness-inducing.
Call of Cthulhu pathfinder... Why not?

No such thing. As for the actual rules the spell lets the caster know what is what.

As for house rules the GM would have to make up his own for a Cthulhu game if one of the stronger monsters true form was revealed.

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I think there are some creatures whose abilities are tied to their appearance. You would be 'safe' from the ability while they are altered or disguised but seeing the creature with true seeing would subject you to that ability.

I'm just kind of going from memory here though, I don't have an example handy.

As for what you see, you see whatever you and your players thinks is cool and makes the most sense. I figure you see multiple realities superimposed over each other. Almost like multiple transparencies overlaying each other.


wraithstrike wrote:


As for house rules the GM would have to make up his own for a Cthulhu game if one of the stronger monsters true form was revealed.

If you look at the aura of something with an 'overwhelming' aura it makes you drop and curl into a sniveling ball... they could connect the parts and just hook up the insanity rules to it.

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