Comrade Anklebiter's Fun-Timey Revolutionary Socialism Thread


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My new favorite website.

50+ installments. I have some reading to do.

@Comrade Hawkshaw: That looks like a fun book. Looking over the list makes me realize that I really should try to read some of the classic anarchists.

But I've got enough on my plate right now.


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Capitalism is a doomed system because the bigger the economy gets, the more centralized wealth becomes. So, the ability to create and modify the rules of the game gets restricted into the hands of the few.

Socialism puts the power in the hands of the people. But, somebody needs to organize and maintain how this is done. That someone needs power to create and maintain the rules of the game. As the society grows, that power over the rules of the game gets restricted into the hands of the few - just like with capitalism


You're a stooge of the plutocracy! Get out of my thread!


What? No bulletins from the Glorious Goblin Soviet Box-Tossing Party in a week? Menshevik got your tongue? Too busy collecting dogslicers for the revolution?


Patrick Curtin wrote:
What? No bulletins from the Glorious Goblin Soviet Box-Tossing Party in a week? Menshevik got your tongue? Too busy collecting dogslicers for the revolution?

He's probably already knee-deep -- well, chest deep on a goblin -- in the rapidly rising tide of Black Friday/Cyber Monday packages beginning to roll in for sorting/shipping & delivery.


Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
What? No bulletins from the Glorious Goblin Soviet Box-Tossing Party in a week? Menshevik got your tongue? Too busy collecting dogslicers for the revolution?
He's probably already knee-deep -- well, chest deep on a goblin -- in the rapidly rising tide of Black Friday/Cyber Monday packages beginning to roll in for sorting/shipping & delivery.

How ironic. The master of Marxist-Goblinoid thought forced to work overtime dealing with one of the worst excrescences of unbridled consumerism. Kind of like when I was forced by circumstances to work for the 2010 Census. *ick*


{promoting Chaos} Well, since the goblin isn't around... someone... anyone really... could redecorate this thread as a Happy Fun Ball Free Market Capitalism thread...


I'm sure AB wouldn't mind...


Hmmm....


{calls around looking for bids from contractors who can do an 100'x100' fresco of Ayn Rand along the south wall}


{overheard on the phone:} ...Yes, Greenspan of the Federal Reserve... I dunno, how big of an ice sculpture can you do?... of course he has to be naked!...


AM HAPPY FUN BALL LOVE HOLIDAY SEASON! YOU MUST GO OUT AND BUY EVERY COLOR OF AM HAPPY FUN BALL! LIFE NOT COMPLETE WITHOUT FULL SET OF AM HAPPY FUN BALLS AND AM HAPPY FUN BALL MADCAP MANSION PLAYSET! SCREECH AND THROW TANTRUM UNTIL PARENTS/GUARDIANS/OLDER SIBLINGS BUY YOU AM HAPPY FUN BALL!


{overheard on the phone:} ...Yeah Trump, of course there'll be cake... no, no, bring your dogs, noooooo, don't be silly, goblins love dogs... sure we'll have kaoroke, I'm sure he'd love to hear your rendition of "Hallelujah" (Why does everyone feel they have to cover that song?) ...what?... what?... no, I said there will be no oscillating fans -- your combover-, er, "hairstyle" will be safe...


{via email:} Fantastic! We are all so looking forward to hearing Ben talk for 3-1/2 hours straight. His personal reminiscences, musings, and quips on everything from Ferris Bueller to Win Ben Stein's Money to the Visine commercials to his AlsmostScienceLiketm documentaries to his views on economic policies... it'll all be pure gold for us!

Also, I'm happy to confirm that Donald Trump will be here for karaoke. Could you possibly make time after your speech to sing a few duets with the Don?

Your biggest fan,
Doodlebug

P.S. The cash will be in the plastic bag in the toilet tank at the usual stall at the usual restaurant.

Sovereign Court

Patrick Curtin wrote:
Ambrosia Slaad wrote:
Patrick Curtin wrote:
What? No bulletins from the Glorious Goblin Soviet Box-Tossing Party in a week? Menshevik got your tongue? Too busy collecting dogslicers for the revolution?
He's probably already knee-deep -- well, chest deep on a goblin -- in the rapidly rising tide of Black Friday/Cyber Monday packages beginning to roll in for sorting/shipping & delivery.
How ironic. The master of Marxist-Goblinoid thought forced to work overtime dealing with one of the worst excrescences of unbridled consumerism. Kind of like when I was forced by circumstances to work for the 2010 Census. *ick*

Marxists have a very complicated relationship with capitalism. In some ways Marx's Capital can be seen as a sort of love letter.


Hey! No fair!

12 posts while I wasn't looking?

Mostly, I let this thread slide because Occupy Wall Street! was a better forum for my commie agitprop, but that seems to have dropped of a bit in volume.

Anyway, I've got to go load up the trucks for the Burlington Mall with Tempurpedic mattresses and cases of X-box games, so I can't stay and chat now, but when I get back, Comrade Curtin, you and you alone will be responsible for the high volume of "Hide thread" traffic!


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

but when I get back, Comrade Curtin, you and you alone will be responsible for the high volume of "Hide thread" traffic!

I am way too tired to live up to this threat.

However, I did want to take the time to say that while I expect this kind of counterrevolutionary behavior from Comrade Curtin, that inveterate reactionary, I never realized until now that ex-Comrade Slaad is also a stooge of the plutocracy!

I expected better of you, ex-Comrade Slaad!


Aww don't blame Amby, she's a Slaad. Chaos is what they do. I was just wondering why you hadn't posted in your thread, now I realize you HAVE been posting, just not where I can see you. I'll back off if you prefer


I too was unaware you were still actively posting, having hid the offending threads myself. Nevertheless, my coals of Chaos appear to restoked your revolutionary fervor, so my goals have been (mostly) achieved. Vive la Chaos!

I meant my posts as humor and light poking, which is how I took the Monkey Man's. My sincere apologies if I crossed the line and offended you.

P.S. And I'd probably rather be considered a Marx Brother/Sister than a Stooge. Never really got the Three Stooges.


I don't accept apologies from reactionaries!

Spoiler:
Just kidding, people. EDIT: I was actually quite amused by both of your posts.

Stooges!


Spoiler:
Sorry if my refusal to use emoticons is confusing. Helpful hint: If I am yelling and putting exclamation points after every sentence, I'm probably joking.

[Rips down ribbons and portraits of Adam Smith and spray paints hammers and sickles everywhere]


CunningMongoose wrote:

Don't forget there is also anarcho-trade-unionism (anarcho-communism) which recently evolved into libertarian-socialism (yes, they are compatible...) under the banner of the Pirate Parties.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_Parties_International

And no, it's not a joke, they even got elected someplaces. It's also official here in Canada (they presented a few runners at the last federal election) and active, if not officially registered, in the States.

They, like Ye olde anarcho-communist, want to aim for libertarianism on the social side (the state should be neutral in term of values and religion, exception made for violent ideologies) and socialism in term of economy (the state should regulate power, information and social needs - health, schools, housing, etc) in order to grant universal access and guarantee the ideological neutrality of those institutions, meaning regulating competition and busting monopolies and economic collusions between lets say, information and political power, or economic power and access to information, etc.

They are not against capitalism (it drives innovation, and small enterprises and coops under free trade laws are necessary to society), only against "big corporatism". They think the only way to garantee a real free trade (sane competition) is to have a neutral government regulating some precise trades as to remove private economic pressure on the democratic power, and that is also the only way to garantee the maximum amount of personal freedom.

They try to deal with the personal liberty / common needs dichotomy in a very interresting (if not totally new) way.

Just saying, because a lot of people in this tread seems to think libertarianism and socialism are incompatible. They are not.

I gave 2 hitchhikers a ride from around here to Austin, and they were adherents of this position. It was an interesting 12 hours, but I still don't see how they can be compatible.


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Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I don't accept apologies from reactionaries!

** spoiler omitted **

Stooges!

You tell them comrade! If you ever get your hands on those reactonary tools of the plutocrats I have a few openings at my Shining Path Re-Educational Coffeeshop and Poetry facility! After a Few months of baking, coffee brewing and listening to modernistic revolutionary poetry they'll either be good comrades or commit suicide. Either way it works out and the People get some good service from their reactionary hides in the meantime!


Tell it like it is, alias of Comrade Curtin, let everybody know!

Also, I didn't mention it before but "Glorious Goblin Soviet Box-Tossing Party" made me hee hee! quite a bit.

"Bolshegobbo," "Communerd," "GGSB-TP": you sure have a way with words and half-words--for a stooge of the plutocracy!


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:


"Bolshegobbo," "Communerd," "GGSB-TP": you sure have a way with words and half-words--for a stooge of the plutocracy!

Well the saving grace of English is its plasticity. One of the reasons I have a love of Joyce despite flunking the course dedicated to him in college (but that had more to do with my epic party lifestyle at the time rather than the esoteric scribblings of the iconic Dubliner)

Edit: duh, just got the acronym


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So, when you're talking about your writer's block...what are you writing?


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
So, when you're talking about your writer's block...what are you writing?

I am working on a freelancing RPG project for a friend. I'd explain more, but I am NDAed at the moment and don't want to accidentally let the kobold out of the Bag of Devouring. Unfortunately it has reminded me why I never write, despite my love of writing: I have some serious CR 25 writers block. Always have. I'd love to write a novel, but I'd have better luck nailing an eight-inch spike through a board with my penis.


Patrick Curtin wrote:
I'd love to write a novel, but I'd have better luck nailing an eight-inch spike through a board with my penis.

Really? My dong's big, too.

Spoiler:
Hee hee!

Also, since you so obviously missed me while I was lurking in all of the threads you can't see, I posted in a lot of the book threads today.

I'd actually been trying an experiment and was staying away from the What books are you reading? thread. It worked like a charm--I stayed away and everybody else started posting!

I firmly believe that if more people would talk to me in the books threads I wouldn't have to go trolling for international proletarian socialist revolution in everywhere else on the board.

Although that's fun, too.

Vive le Galt!

EDIT: What's NDA?


Non-Disclosure Agreement. A contract you sign that allows party A to share sensitive seekrit information with party B. in return party b promises not to publicly discuss said information under penalty of law. Pretty standard these days with the rising tide of IP piracy

Spoiler:
and you missed my Real Genius reference! Somewhere Val Kilmer weeps


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Patrick Curtin wrote:

Non-Disclosure Agreement. A contract you sign that allows party A to share sensitive seekrit information with party B. in return party b promises not to publicly discuss said information under penalty of law. Pretty standard these days with the rising tide of IP piracy

** spoiler omitted **

"A girl has to have her standards."


Great. So this thread is now reduced to me, the Chairman of the Commonwealth Party (M-L) and two notorious, hardcore reactionaries!

[Sigh]

Oh well. On the bright side, though, I'm pretty sure none of us like the President.

Sovereign Court

Patrick Curtin wrote:

Non-Disclosure Agreement. A contract you sign that allows party A to share sensitive seekrit information with party B. in return party b promises not to publicly discuss said information under penalty of law. Pretty standard these days with the rising tide of IP piracy

** spoiler omitted **

There's some pretty boss property law theory and realpolitik behind NDA's and the fact that courts refused to find that stealing information constituted actual criminal theft - for example in Canada the leading case R v Stewart was ostensibly about the theft of information from a hotel - but it actually was about a labour dispute and unionization - however, the defence and prosecution chose to ignore this to clear up the law on theft of information - the prosecution was hoping to turn around and charge the church of scientology, in exchange for a reduced sentance for Stewart if convicted.

Which is why you see Clayton Ruby stepping in for Stewart's Supreme Court of Canada appeal. (Clayton Ruby was scientology's defence counsel in Canada). The CoS had been stealing s+#@ (information) from law offices in Canada for a while as part of their usual blackmail / intimidate modus operandi and the crown prosecuters wanted to take them down - so they wanted to settle the case law in an obscure case before taking on the big guns.

Spoiler:
I may have had a few end of term beers


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Great. So this thread is now reduced to me, the Chairman of the Commonwealth Party (M-L) and two notorious, hardcore reactionaries!

[Sigh]

Oh well. On the bright side, though, I'm pretty sure none of us like the President.

I'm here too! You can add a turncoat cheese eating monkey fluufy feet socialist to the mix.

And I don't love my president either.

Shadow Lodge

I prefer my socialism to be of the Bakunin and Proudhon variety - interestingly enough I also prefer my libertarianism to be of the same variety.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

Great. So this thread is now reduced to me, the Chairman of the Commonwealth Party (M-L) and two notorious, hardcore reactionaries!

[Sigh]

Oh well. On the bright side, though, I'm pretty sure none of us like the President.

True enough, I never have. Demagogues always turn me off. Don't piss down my back and tell me it's raining....


I missed your spoiler before: I don't think I've seen Real Genius since 198?. I'm sure Val Kilmer isn't crying.

@Comrade Hawkshaw: Posting while inebriated? I'm so proud! It's like my little boy is growing up!

@Comrade le Couard: I hate your president, too.

@Asphere: I don't know you, but you are a petty-bourgeois stooge of the plutocracy!

Property is theft!

Shadow Lodge

Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I missed your spoiler before: I don't think I've seen Real Genius since 198?. I'm sure Val Kilmer isn't crying.

@Comrade Hawkshaw: Posting while inebriated? I'm so proud! It's like my little boy is growing up!

@Comrade le Couard: I hate your president, too.

@Asphere: I don't know you, but you are a petty-bourgeois stooge of the plutocracy!

Property is theft!

Bourgeois - no. Petty - perhaps. Stooge of the plutocracy - only against my will (we all are).

Sovereign Court

Comrade Anklebiter wrote:

I missed your spoiler before: I don't think I've seen Real Genius since 198?. I'm sure Val Kilmer isn't crying.

@Comrade Hawkshaw: Posting while inebriated? I'm so proud! It's like my little boy is growing up!

@Comrade le Couard: I hate your president, too.

@Asphere: I don't know you, but you are a petty-bourgeois stooge of the plutocracy!

Property is theft!

I'm a technocratic stooge of the plutocracy. Current working paper title: Tax Havens - Do as we say, not as we do. Need to come up with a clever pun or something when its written.


Comrade Anklebiter wrote:
Property is theft!

Taking away property is theft as well. So whatever we leave property or take we are commiting theft?

Also, is special property of magic weapons theft as well?


I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.


What we need is an enlightened nanotech interplanetary anarchy. With resources of solar system in the reach of our hands, personal nanofactories capable of processing and recycling those resources and constantly expanding computing power. With no one having actual reason to want anything from others except for occasional (tele)company.
Uh, I think that I was born a bit too early for this.

Liberty's Edge

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Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.

Germany did a nice job.


houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.

Yes. Whether the same would work for the US, however, is a different question. I'd like to hope it would, but Germany and the US are two very different places.

The Exchange

houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.

**blink **


Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **

LMAO!


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **
LMAO!

Compared to the rest of modern Europe and the US, they did.


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Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **
LMAO!
Compared to the rest of modern Europe and the US, they did.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure HD is referring to the fascist model of combining socialism and capitalism and you are thinking of the current model of combining socialism and capitalism.

I think this once again demonstrates the need for a sarcasm font. ;)


Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **
LMAO!
Compared to the rest of modern Europe and the US, they did.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure HD is referring to the fascist model of combining socialism and capitalism and you are thinking of the current model of combining socialism and capitalism.

I think this once again demonstrates the need for a sarcasm font. ;)

It does. Germany is actually doing pretty good compared to everyone else right now, so I thought he was referring to modern Germany in a serious manner.


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Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **
LMAO!
Compared to the rest of modern Europe and the US, they did.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure HD is referring to the fascist model of combining socialism and capitalism and you are thinking of the current model of combining socialism and capitalism.

I think this once again demonstrates the need for a sarcasm font. ;)

It does. Germany is actually doing pretty good compared to everyone else right now, so I thought he was referring to modern Germany in a serious manner.

I think he's being sardonic, but that may just be projection on my part. HD seems to follow world news from eclectic sources.

The Exchange

Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
Bitter Thorn wrote:
Crimson Jester wrote:
houstonderek wrote:
Kelsey Arwen MacAilbert wrote:
I think that capitalism and socialism are both very bad things in their pure, unadulterated forms. What is needs is a good balance of capitalistic and socialistic policies. The difficulty lies in finding that balance.
Germany did a nice job.
**blink **
LMAO!
Compared to the rest of modern Europe and the US, they did.

I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure HD is referring to the fascist model of combining socialism and capitalism and you are thinking of the current model of combining socialism and capitalism.

I think this once again demonstrates the need for a sarcasm font. ;)

It does. Germany is actually doing pretty good compared to everyone else right now, so I thought he was referring to modern Germany in a serious manner.

HD was pulling a Godwin.

Modern Germany has a lot of issues right now as well.

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