Is venom poison?


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There's a couple of creatures around that have "venom", like the Crest Eater in AA1, and in at least one SFS scenario:

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Sanctuary of Drowned Delight has sea snakes that do dexterity damage

* Is this poison? Does an android get their +2 saving throw bonus? Does antitoxin work? Does poison immunity work? Does it work on creatures that have no living metabolism, such as undead or constructs that list a lot of different things they're immune to, but don't list venom?
* Does it set you on a poison affliction track?
* Do you take [save DC -10] hit point damage on initial exposure?


"poison" and "venom" are generally equivalent terms. It's probably poor editing and they should have used the term "poison". But they mean the same thing so the answer to all your questions is "yes"


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The only difference between a poison and a venom scientifically are poisons are injested, venoms and through injury. A "poisonous snake" is generally referring to the fact it is venomous.

Starfinder considers both things to be the same so as above, yes. Venom is a poison, and thus effects that resist poison do resist venoms.


I was also going to add that venom is injected and poison is typically consumed, from a scientific perspective.

From a game perspective, they should probably be treated as the same thing.

Most people use them interchangeably.

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I think we're all in agreement that antitoxin should work.

But if you get hit with a venom that applies dex damage, are you also taking automatic HP damage, and are you going on the dexterity track?


If it is a poison using the affliction rules it'll have a formatted entry and block saying the DC, the track, any modifications to the track, and the number of consecutive saves needed to cure.

If it just makes you do a save or take some 1d something dex damage then it's not an affliction, and doesn't use those rules.

A good comparison is the crest eater, with a venom special ability, and the deh-nolo, which has a dominion bile poison in its attacks.

I'd still treat that venom special ability as a poison for bonuses to saves. Also remember undead and some constructs don't have con scores, and are immune to affects requiring a fort save.


SirShua wrote:

If it is a poison using the affliction rules it'll have a formatted entry and block saying the DC, the track, any modifications to the track, and the number of consecutive saves needed to cure.

If it just makes you do a save or take some 1d something dex damage then it's not an affliction, and doesn't use those rules.

I think this is the key point.

If it doesn't have an affliction stat block, then it is just a regular attack with a strange damage type and effect.

In that case, I would still allow poison resistance and immunity. I am not sure about antitoxin. If it is a one-hit one-damage effect, then no. The damage is already done by the time anyone could administer antitoxin. If instead it has a persistent damage effect, the antitoxin could end that effect.


breithauptclan wrote:
SirShua wrote:

If it is a poison using the affliction rules it'll have a formatted entry and block saying the DC, the track, any modifications to the track, and the number of consecutive saves needed to cure.

If it just makes you do a save or take some 1d something dex damage then it's not an affliction, and doesn't use those rules.

I think this is the key point.

If it doesn't have an affliction stat block, then it is just a regular attack with a strange damage type and effect.

In that case, I would still allow poison resistance and immunity. I am not sure about antitoxin. If it is a one-hit one-damage effect, then no. The damage is already done by the time anyone could administer antitoxin. If instead it has a persistent damage effect, the antitoxin could end that effect.

Antitoxin in Starfinder is actually a preventative item. I had this problem when we were given a bunch in our AP and then after getting a Dex poison we realized "Oh, this does nothing." You have to know ahead of time when to take your antitoxin.


Isaac Zephyr wrote:
The only difference between a poison and a venom scientifically are poisons are injested, venoms and through injury.

Or, as I heard it explained (might have been on QI): "If I bite you and you die, I am venomous. If I bite you and I die, you are poisonous."

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