
Aream |
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Hi,
what about an Eidolon having 4 arms and using 2 two handed weapons each one with 2 arms? Multiweapon Fighting from the Bestiary is only for 1 weapon in each hand. There is no explanation for multiple two handed weapons, rules collide about strength bonus for example, offhand attacks half bonus two hand attacks one and a half times the strength bonus. That would mean a 2 hand weapon has the same bonus as a 1 handed weapon if you follow the offhand rule.
Any official clarifications about this?

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I can't even see this is ambiguous or in need of clarification. If what you want to do involves weapons and more than two hands manipulating them at the same time, you need multiweapon fighting.
Two-Weapon Fighting (Combat)
You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.
Prerequisite: Dex 15.
Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.
Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light.
Note the use of singular throughout. That is because using this feat means you have two hands only or at least are only coordinated enough to use two of them at the same time while fighting.
If you want to use more than two hands in concert to weild weapons:
Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks with multiple weapons.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.
Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.

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If you had multiweapon fighting or your GM decided to wave the requirement, the secondary weapon should get 3/4 Str bonus.
1.5 (Two handed) x .5 (Off hand)
Off-Hand Weapon: When you deal damage with a weapon in your off hand, you add only 1/2 your Strength bonus. If you have a Strength penalty, the entire penalty applies.
Wielding a Weapon Two-Handed: When you deal damage with a weapon that you are wielding two-handed, you add 1-1/2 times your Strength bonus (Strength penalties are not multiplied). You don't get this higher Strength bonus, however, when using a light weapon with two hands.

Aream |
I can't even see this is ambiguous or in need of clarification. If what you want to do involves weapons and more than two hands manipulating them at the same time, you need multiweapon fighting.
prd wrote:Two-Weapon Fighting (Combat)
You can fight with a weapon wielded in each of your hands. You can make one extra attack each round with the secondary weapon.
Prerequisite: Dex 15.
Benefit: Your penalties on attack rolls for fighting with two weapons are reduced. The penalty for your primary hand lessens by 2 and the one for your off hand lessens by 6. See Two-Weapon Fighting in Combat.
Normal: If you wield a second weapon in your off hand, you can get one extra attack per round with that weapon. When fighting in this way you suffer a –6 penalty with your regular attack or attacks with your primary hand and a –10 penalty to the attack with your off hand. If your off-hand weapon is light, the penalties are reduced by 2 each. An unarmed strike is always considered light.
Note the use of singular throughout. That is because using this feat means you have two hands only or at least are only coordinated enough to use two of them at the same time while fighting.
If you want to use more than two hands in concert to weild weapons:
prd wrote:Multiweapon Fighting (Combat)
This multi-armed creature is skilled at making attacks with multiple weapons.
Prerequisites: Dex 13, three or more hands.
Benefit: Penalties for fighting with multiple weapons are reduced by –2 with the primary hand and by –6 with off hands.
Normal: A creature without this feat takes a –6 penalty on attacks made with its primary hand and a –10 penalty on attacks made with all of its off hands. (It has one primary hand, and all the others are off hands.) See Two-Weapon Fighting in the Pathfinder RPG Core Rulebook.
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.
Did you even read my post? Seems not and I got the rules that you copy & pasted here myself thanks. Not helpful at all.

Aream |
Aream wrote:Any official clarifications about this?Is there any need for official?
Take the required feat MWF and I think it seems pretty straightforward that it is 1.5 for the primary (2 handed) and the offhands (additional 2 hands) are 3/4 STR.
MWF is for fighting with a weapon in each hand, using two handed weapons would be pretty much useless without any advantage except the weapon damage itself with that -6 to attack. However I see this leads nowhere.

mdt |

James Risner wrote:MWF is for fighting with a weapon in each hand, using two handed weapons would be pretty much useless without any advantage except the weapon damage itself with that -6 to attack. However I see this leads nowhere.Aream wrote:Any official clarifications about this?Is there any need for official?
Take the required feat MWF and I think it seems pretty straightforward that it is 1.5 for the primary (2 handed) and the offhands (additional 2 hands) are 3/4 STR.
You asked a question, people answered with quotes from the rules. You didn't like the answers. That's no reason to be rude, as you have in the last two posts. It would appear that the only answer you'll accept is 'yes, your interpreteation is correct'. Anything else you dismiss as rudely as possible.

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We read your post and directly answered both points you seem to be confused about with quotes from the rules.
The advantage of using Multiweapon attack when fighting using two weapons with 4 arms is this: 1.5 str mod to damage on weapon #1 and .75 str mod to damage with weapon #2. This cannot be done with TWF as it is outside the scope of the feat or having two arms.
You seem to want to interpret Multiweapon attack as only applying to a weapon in each hand based on it's title (and because it would allow what you want to do.) The title does not determine the mechanics. A monk using cockatrice strike does not turn into a cockatrice to make his attack, he reads the rules of the feat and applies them. This cannot be more clear:
Special: This feat replaces the Two-Weapon Fighting feat for creatures with more than two arms.

Greg Wasson |

Actually, I thought ithuriel answered your post very well. I had believed there to be a conflict with 2Hwp fighting combined with off hand penalty of TWPfighting. I was wrong, seeing the math written out made it very clear. The rules work together and do not conflict. Multiweapon fighting figured with off hand weapon rules.
Perhaps Aream only perused ithuriel's post expecting he knew the answer.

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Aream, are you just the hulk posting under another name? If so, quit it.
If not, there is a search function at the top right of forum pages. If you search in that, you'll find that this was already asked twice two weeks ago by the hulk and was answered the same both times.
TWF only works when you are using two arms to fight. MWF is for using more than 2 arms.