Can you switch gods?


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Shadow Lodge 4/5

I just got Dwarves of Golarion and I already have a Dwarvin cleric that does not worship one of the Dwarven gods. Now, I am wondering how can I retrain to worship one of the Dwarvin gods from Dwarves of Golarion?

Shadow Lodge

Two words should help you: Pantheistic Worship.

You worship all the dwarven gods, but take domains from just one.

The Exchange 5/5

Quote:

Guide to Pathfinder Society Organized Play v2.1 pg 18 states: Clerics Must Select a Diety

For the sake of simplicity, clerics in Pathfinder Society
Organized Play must select a deity from those legally
allowed for play. The Pathfinder Chronicles Campaign
Setting has a rich assortment of deities to chose from that
should nearly always match the sort of cleric you’re trying
to play—dealing in abstract clerics is not something we
want to see in an environment that’s supporting Paizo’s
campaign setting.

Scarab Sages

While I realize that the above quote does say "a diety", I would also suggest that the reference is to not having a "generic cleric" as is provided for by D&D rules, and it refers to a "abstract" cleric". I don't particularly think that pantheonic worship detracts from the intent of this statement, and that it doesn't detract from the playablility of a cleric that follows a true pantheon of racial dieties, since this statement is clearly aimed at clerics of no diety at all.

The easiest solution to this is to worship the entire pantheon, but to choose a single deity that most closely resembles the main focus of the cleric in question. And insofar as the OP question, I am not aware of anywhere within Pathfinder rules that states or suggests that a player is not allowed to change deities. There might be some Atonement that is required when doing so, and obviously, this kind of change isn't encouraged on a regular basis. But to improve the character I should think that it is more than acceptable to retcon a little bit of the character's story to more closely match the original intent and/or concept of the player.

Just my two coppers worth.


ShadowDax wrote:
I just got Dwarves of Golarion and I already have a Dwarvin cleric that does not worship one of the Dwarven gods. Now, I am wondering how can I retrain to worship one of the Dwarvin gods from Dwarves of Golarion?

What god does your PC currently worship and what domains did he select?

Shadow Lodge 4/5

The god I serve now is Sarenrae, and the Domains I have are Fire and Good. The god I wish to serve now is Angradd. He is LG in alignment I am NG so I am one step away. The only thing that will change if I switch to Angradd is my favored weapon from a scimitar to greataxe and the name of the god I serve. Otherwise, I am keeping the same domains If I switch to Angradd.


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Looks like I have a new thing to add to the Guide with the next update!

Okay, so first of all, keep in mind that nothing in that book is currently legal for play. I'll add that book in the next update, but right now it's not there and is thus not legal.

Changing gods as a cleric is a Big Deal. I will add something like the following paragraph to the next update:

Clerics are allowed to switch to a new god (as their character changes or as new supplements become legal for play that contains deities better suited to the flavor of cleric a player is shooting for). Switching to a new god is not an easy process. First of all, the cleric's old god is angered by your cleric's decision to switch loyalties to another deity and your cleric effectively becomes an ex-cleric with all of the punishments noted on page 41 of the Pathfinder Core Rulebook. In order to then become a cleric again, your cleric needs to atone to the new god by means of an atonement spell. Keep in mind that this version of atonement (restoring cleric powers) costs 3,000 gp (or 8 Prestige Award). This change needs to be noted on the chronicle sheet of the scenario the cleric was playing through when the change occurred. Your cleric's new deity must be within one alignment step of the cleric. If your cleric is not within one alignment step, she must atone again (this time using the 500 gp or 2 Prestige Award atonement) to change alignment to match or be within one step of her new deity. Once the new god is chosen and the atonement(s) is/are cast, your cleric may now select her new Domains (if any). Remember that your cleric no longer retains any special abilities, spells, skill bonuses, bonus feats, etc. of the old domains and instead replaces them with the new abilities etc. of the new domains. Also keep in mind that by changing deities as a cleric, your cleric now has a new favored weapon and loses the old favored weapon bonus proficiency feat. This change does not change any current weapon your cleric may possess that matches the favored weapon of her original deity--i.e., your scimitar doesn't magically become a greataxe.

Dark Archive 1/5

And thus a new rule is born. Well soon to be at least.

Cigars all around.

Edit: I remember from the 1st Ed DMG that a pc's cleric could in theory switch back to his first god but if he ever switched to a third god the cleric would automatically be struck dead by the pwers that be.


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You know people are going to want to know about Paladins, Inquisitors and other faith-based casters now.


And it'll work the same way. :-)

Shadow Lodge 4/5

Thank You, I would have started the Cleric the same way as I want to change him, but I started him too early. I appreciate the chance to switch gods now that the Dwarves of Golarion Pathfinder Companion book is out. I'll have to wait till it becomes legal.

Dark Archive 2/5

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Does this ruling by Josh still work for PFS in 2012.

Thanks

Sovereign Court 3/5

Can a rogue change deities and if so, how often?

Grand Lodge 4/5 **** Venture-Captain, California—Sacramento

As often as they want, provided they have no powers granted to them by a diety.

Silver Crusade 2/5

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Pathfinder Society FAQ

FAQ entry:

What determines if my character can be a “worshiper” of a deity?

As a character, you may choose to worship a single deity or pantheon (the “deity”). If you worship a pantheon, you do not count as worshiping every god in that pantheon; you must choose one deity from that pantheon for the purpose of gaining mechanical benefits.

Your character’s alignment must be within one step of that of the deity he or she worships. Any character with levels in a class that grants spells or other features from a specific deity must worship that deity.

A character may only worship one deity at a time; the character may change which deity she worships between sessions at no cost. If this change requires the character to change alignment, the character is required to pay for an atonement. Any element incompatible with the new deity no longer functions. These elements may be retrained at normal cost using the rules from Ultimate Campaign.

For example, a cleric of Desna with the Travel and Luck domains and the Butterfly Sting feat switches her worship to Shelyn. The cleric may still use the Luck domain because Shelyn grants that domain, but not the Travel domain or the Butterfly Sting feat, because worship of Shelyn does not grant access to those features.

Worshipping a Deity is a closer relationship that revering one. If you are a worshipper, you must be within one alignment step of the deity. If changing the deity requires you to change alignment, then you must pay for an atonement as the entry states.

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