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A question about Damage Reduction (DR).

Critter has DR 10/silver. If a PC used a non-silver Frost weapon would the magical flame portion of the damage go through the DR?

I looked up DR in the PFCR. These are a quotes from that section.

Damage Reduction - PFCR pg 561
"Whenever damage reduction completely negates the
damage from an attack, it also negates most special
effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison,
a monk’s stunning, and injury-based disease. Damage
reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage
dealt along with an attack, or energy drains."

A subsection of DR section - PFCR pg 562
Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome
by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with
a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the
enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of
weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons
imbued with an alignment.

Thoughts?

Thanx,

Kizan

Scarab Sages

Kizan wrote:

A question about Damage Reduction (DR).

Critter has DR 10/silver. If a PC used a non-silver Frost weapon would the magical flame portion of the damage go through the DR?

It would be magical frost, but you answered your own question with the quote.

Kizan wrote:

Damage Reduction - PFCR pg 561

"Whenever damage reduction completely negates the damage from an attack, it also negates most special effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison, a monk’s stunning, and injury-based disease. Damage reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage dealt along with an attack, or energy drains."

Damage reduction does not negate energy damage dealt along with an attack. The frost damage from a non-silver frost weapon would indeed go through damage reduction.

Your God of Knowledge,
Nethys

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Kizan wrote:

A question about Damage Reduction (DR).

Critter has DR 10/silver. If a PC used a non-silver Frost weapon would the magical flame portion of the damage go through the DR?

I looked up DR in the PFCR. These are a quotes from that section.

Damage Reduction - PFCR pg 561
"Whenever damage reduction completely negates the
damage from an attack, it also negates most special
effects that accompany the attack, such as injury poison,
a monk’s stunning, and injury-based disease. Damage
reduction does not negate touch attacks, energy damage
dealt along with an attack
, or energy drains."

A subsection of DR section - PFCR pg 562
Overcoming DR: Damage reduction may be overcome
by special materials, magic weapons (any weapon with
a +1 or higher enhancement bonus, not counting the
enhancement from masterwork quality), certain types of
weapons (such as slashing or bludgeoning), and weapons
imbued with an alignment.

Thoughts?

Thanx,

Kizan

The damage from the energy and the damage from the blade itself are separate. The rider affects in the description are not hit point, damage, status affects. If you can negate the damage you can negate the affect.

As far as overcoming DR, certain weapons with a high enough enchantment count as having the ability to overcome certain DR's to avoid having to carry 85 different weapons around.

There is a specific list in the book, but I can't recall what section its in.

ninja'd by Nethys

Paizo Employee Creative Director

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Energy damage, even energy damage from weapons like flame weapons or frost weapons, does not notice DR. A creature's energy resistance or energy immunity blocks this damage. Using a frost weapon on a creature with DR is a good way to get through and damage the creature even if you can't get through it's DR with the weapon damage.

Ninjaed by wraithstrike who in turn was ninjaed by Nethys.


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Thanks for the clarification!

Kizan


Keep it simple : Bring only monsters with Damage Reduction AND Spell Resistance.


Seldriss wrote:
Keep it simple : Bring only monsters with Damage Reduction AND Spell Resistance.

Spell resistance does nothing against non-spell energy damage, such as from a +1 flaming longsword.

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Zurai wrote:
Seldriss wrote:
Keep it simple : Bring only monsters with Damage Reduction AND Spell Resistance.
Spell resistance does nothing against non-spell energy damage, such as from a +1 flaming longsword.

+1


How does DR affect bleed damage, as from the feat Bleeding Critical?
Obviously its non-elemental, but neither is it poison or a disease, but then I wouldn't call it an energy drain either.

Follow up, DR does not negate touch attacks, does this mean that a gunslinger within his first range increment can ignore all DR?


Yebng wrote:

How does DR affect bleed damage, as from the feat Bleeding Critical?

Obviously its non-elemental, but neither is it poison or a disease, but then I wouldn't call it an energy drain either.

Follow up, DR does not negate touch attacks, does this mean that a gunslinger within his first range increment can ignore all DR?

Firearm attacks are not technically touch attacks, even though they go against Touch AC. I'll need to look again to see what page it's on, but I do remember that being said somewhere. Firearms resolve against touch AC within certain increments, but are not themselves touch attacks.


Ok cool, yeah just double checked ultimate combat pg. 136, it specifies that though they resolve against touch ac, they themselves are not touch attacks.

Still leaves the bleed question out there though, to me the logical answer is if the DR reduces damage taken to 0 then you're not hurt so you aren't going to bleed, but i don't know what RAW says.


I know bleed bypasses DR. I just have to find the proof for it.

PS:I can't find the developer quote that states it so I will just make a new post for it.

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