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I have yet to reveal them to my players; I was hoping the collective wisdom of the forums could show me the breaking points on these before I unleash them on my group.

I would expect that you see that as a very common approach on these forums but this unfortunately practice is really doing things backwards. Discussing the plans with people (no matter how well meaning) who really have no investment in your game and who might not even share your group's style of play before talking to the people who are actually going to use said rules isn't usually the best course of action.

I try to chime in like this every now and then to nudge people back into their circles before they try to alter everything and pull the rug out of their players creativity because the random noise on the forums decided that X didn't work or so forth. Everyone is happy to help of course but for the most part your going to get a lot of noise compared to what your going to get out of your group consensus.

What do your players think of the proposed rules changes?

Have they been asking for them?

Just got the book today at my FLGS and am pretty happy with it over-all.

The author of the trait Devoted Healer however might be shocked to know that:

Treating deadly wounds takes 1 hour of work.

Just something I noticed. Now we have a trait that requires you to throw someone into 20 hours of surgery to get use out of.

Well there is a proper race for it yet...

But some kind of Awakened Pony iconic would be great! ;3

For a wizard to cast a cleric spell she needs to use limited wish at a minimum.

So for a wizard to cast Spiritual Weapon, it costs her 1500gp and a 7th level slot.

Mage's Sword reduces that cost by quite a bit by making it a 250gp foci and then improves it by using the stats most arcane spell casters tend to favour.

Ahh, well that clears it up a bit. Though now someone is running around using tricks actual Aspis agents can't use.

Wait so the PFS is actively encouraging people to play characters actively working against the goals of the Pathfinder Society?

Oh the glowers I would get as they pass their secret little notes that can't affect the campaign to the GM.

That consortium agent prestige class isn't even legal for play.

It has recently come to my attention that there are a number of people playing "spies" for the Aspis Consortium in the PFS.

I would like to tell those people to make sure that they don't actually hinder the groups ability to complete missions or to just stop such silly nonsense all together.

If it really is DM versus Players perhaps they should try running a game of Decent: Journeys in the Dark. It can be quite a lot more fun and is well suited to a more competitive play style.

Why waste any time mechanically if your just going to allow the character to have free or cheap access to things to get around being blind? That is utterly pointless to do.

That's not playing a blind swordsman.

Your better off just saying your character is a blind swordsman and then ignoring it like it will eventually be ignored if your going to do something like that.

If they want to be a blind swordsman then thy should have to properly play a blind character and it is up to them to figure out how to salvage that foolish concept.

Best?

Okay, your going to want to grab Divine Spell Power, Divine Metamagic for Persistent Spell and as many Nightsticks as you can get a hold of. You'll want to craft your Karma Beads and Pearls of Power when you can to make sure that all your buff spells are up all day at 4-8 CL higher then you are and you've got lots of magic available.

You'll probably want your 16 in your wisdom and a big more charisma for more turning attempts. Don't forget your skill synergy bonuses (you'll want the 5 ranks in Knowledge Religion one especially).

There are a few spells you'll want as you go up. there's one that lets people reroll failed saving throws, an instant healing one, delay death, etc. Comet Fall but that's like level 6-7 so a ways off.

Also make spell lists for situations so your more prepared if your say, On a Boat, In a City, Underground, etc. Don't rely on one static list. You've got thousands of spells available, try them out. Change things up all the time to find the spells you like.

+1 to Corlindale.

Only spells that take a standard action or longer are affected as per what the actual rules for spontaneous spell casters say.

There are several i's in Pinkie Pie though! Or are we talking about a different kind of party?

It'd be per effect of the spell or ability too. So say Fireball is one roll for all affected targets where Scorching Ray or Magic Missile would be separate damage rolls for ray/missile that hits.

It gets worse once we throw in things like Dirty Tricks. Every fight turns into the PC's versus Heel Wrestlers.

Powder in the Eyes, Low Blows, the works. You'd spend most of the fights sickened, disarmed and blind. It'd be like every terrible encounter in the PFS but in every game.

The idea is slanted a lot more /against/ the PC's then for them just so you know.

The added protection you get form having at least some return damage boosting your CMD is important when you can get it. Monsters with half-decent strengths would be stealing every holy symbol, spell component pouch and spare weapon without any regards to almost anything else.

It would become very silly quite quickly.

Well there are a few things here.

Magic Items don't have a Challenge Rating just off the top of my head.

Effectively your reflavouring a scroll but giving it a broader ability to be used. Given that you want a specific location it might be better to base the item off of the spell Word of Recall as that more spell functions specifically back to a designated location and doesn't suffer

Now a scroll of a 6th level spell costs about 1,650 gp so that can be an effective minimum cost for it. If we look at the simple chart for a Single use, use-activated magic item it puts it at about 3,300 gold which would seem fair enough. If you wanted to cut the difference and price it somewhere between those two prices that would be fine either way.

Yes as I said you can see on the additional resources page that they are allowed.

Pathfinder Player Companion: Adventurer's Armory

Only the 2nd printing of this book or the 1st printing augmented by the current errata (released 7/21/11) are legal for play in Pathfinder Society Organized Play.
Everything in this book is legal for play with the following exceptions: a pseudodragon is not legal for purchase unless you're a wizard with the Improved Familiar feat, elephants are never legal for play, and armored kilts are not legal.

I don't think you need to worry about something like that TRG, your players will play what they want with either method. :)

Clone is cheap enough to have cast without needing to find a specific spell caster on the spell casting chart as well.

You've got 2d4 months to die if you absolutely must read it as RAW as possible. It's duration is instantaneous.

Aye, you can buy lots and lots of different animals and creatures for use in the Pathfinder Society and are completely capable of handling them and training them! You should be able to see the allowable sources on the additional resources page. :)

You are banned completely from buying elephants and you can only buy a pseudo-dragon for purchase as an improved familiar or something? I'm not 100% on the rules for that as I'm not sure why you'd have to buy one.

Well the mod can just say that happens and it's just fine. It certainly isn't unreasonable to have that effect from water pressure and the PC's will likely have enough to worry about even with Freedom of Movement.

What exactly are you trying to do?

I'm totally lost by what exactly the story has with the topic of the thread?

Perception checks should only be used for special situations (girl has a note in her boot or something kind of like that). Really only if something was attempting to be hidden should that kind of check come up unless you like to keep your PC's guessing by calling for a few random checks during a session.

Mechanically yes, anyone with the proficiency to use said weapon should have at least some basic understanding of what it is. Masterwork items stand out from regular items. There isn't a reason to keep that kind of information secret from anyone.

Appraise can be useful for judging the value of art, gems and those types of things. For just standard equipment your average adventurer should be aware of the price of any standard equipment and what they can expect on average to get for selling it (half value).

Your free to alter that amount if it seems reasonable of course. Most towns probably don't need 50 goblin sized suits of leather armor or if they do they probably aren't paying full price.

I love how the theme of this thread is that somehow the player is doing something wrong as opposed to having encounters versus single spell casters not being a good encounter. 1 thing happens to the person and the fight is over. So this flavor was grappled. It could have been any number of things. 1 failed hold person, etc.

Fix the source of the problem (bad encounters, assuming you need a 'boss fight', etc) and you'll not have to worry about.

Just do what I'd do. Smile politely and tell them to open the book and show you were it says as such.

If your worried about a fluctuation of your player base and are a bit newer to the rules I'd recommend the Thorn Keep book. It develops a little town above a quite expansive dungeon and has plenty of room for you to flesh out things and gives your players plenty of room to do what they like as well.

It's actually kind of a midway point between a campaign and just a module so it works really well.

You should be able to get it at your FLGS or straight from Paizo.

I think you'll need to ask your players what kind of game they're looking to play before sweepingly trying to change things like that.

Your moving well outside of Pathfinder with that kind of stuff.

Also it raises the question, "why not just play Numenera?"

Jeez, thanks for the vote of confidence... I'm sure my friends will stop gaming with me because of this... right. As for rolling "properly," there are several methods presented in the CRB to roll for stats, and I chose the one which I thought would give my players the most freedom of choice.

Awwww. If the intended target doesn't get a joke then it wasn't funny. :(

Why roll for stats if your not going to roll properly?

3d6 straight down the line.

Your method will be the end of your whole gaming group I predict, maybe you and your friends exodus from gaming all together! You tamper with forces you do not understand!

I think a good amount of GM's actually try to call for those kinds of skill checks when they aren't really appropriate as those skills do specific things. This got really out of hand with some of 4th editions skill challenges as it actively encouraged what was already kind of a problem.

Eeehhh... As much as turning a set of nonmagical clothing into another set of nonmagical clothing while eating up a magic item slot is.

Good for roleplaying situations at least. Fancy balls you need to hastily have clothes for, infiltrating someplace where the guards have uniforms, etc.

See Invisibility.

The sleeves are not a disposable magic item. You can reuse them as you like.

If a magic item is disposable it is mentioned as James points out.

Druids are the big easy to spot one. Unable to wear metal armour they can certainly wear dragonhide variants. Also they are more cheaply enchanted to have the matching energy resistance.

Armour made from the hides of dragons is a reasonably familiar fantasy tropes and role-playing games in general so there is that to consider. Someone somewhere is going to want to make armour from a dragon they've slain as people have been want to do in these games for over 30 years.

Plus it has the advantage of being relatively inexpensive compared to say Adamantine or Mithral armours.

Why am I not a thousandaire....

1. Laziness
2. Lauren Faust
3. Vague amount of ethics

Woooah, hold on there. Your the one giving it a series of story event meanings and so forth. The game is just that, a game. It isn't attempting to be a life simulator. It is just a tool for facilitating something for you and your friends to enjoy playing. Five foot cubes roaming about with ability X and damage capability Y.

Now the game is certainly more equipped to handle or encourage sweeping narrative then say Monopoly, but at the end of the day its still a game.

Of course as it is a game it can be changed how you and the others playing it see fit. If you and most everyone your at the table with don't like how something works your certainly quite capable of changing it.

If your looking for an in world reasoning, well the Magus lacks the training to actually know how to properly disarm someone so that axe is going to slip down his weapon and might kill him before he even gets a chance to knock it away. She doesn't know all the tricks to doing a proper disarm safely.

Silver bludgeoning weapons have no damage penalty.

Wow, +1 to you for that one. Totally missed it. Guess my silver weapon will be a hammer or something from now on.

Hrmmm, I don't seem to be getting my point across... It's more an statement that selling points for something like a game should have a lot more to do with the actual use or content of that game rather then the delivery of the game.

I honestly had no idea that apparently that is a huge issue for most of you or that you will try anything sole because it is available on PDF. My mistake and I apologize for it.

That kind of technology isn't seen where I game at or with who I play with, or even in my every day life so I hope you can understand my ignorance.

Okay, so your telling me honestly that the product being available in a digital format is one of the main reasons you would purchase it?

I'm personally in doubt of any digital details making any huge differences in any particular line. Having it is certainly a benefit for certain people but I don't think that you'll get a lot of people who are sold on a selling point of not having to "lug around heavy books."

Written by someone who obviously lives in the "Everyone has a Tablet" universe that I don't happen to reside in. Annoying to see it crop up.

Yeah though Fig in another thread is right, years late overall.

I'm personally in doubt of any digital details making any huge differences in any particular line. Having it is certainly a benefit for certain people but I don't think that you'll get a lot of people who are sold on a selling point of not having to "lug around heavy books."

Written by someone who obviously lives in the "Everyone has a Tablet" universe that I don't happen to reside in. Annoying to see it crop up.

Yeah though Fig is right, years late overall.

By that level one could assume that the PC's have enough notoriety to let most competent foes know about particular tactics they use apparently all of the time. Having some sort of counter for that on occasion would be a good means to make them switch up their usual tactics.

Perhaps a few armed foes with quick draw so the tactic is drastically less useful as they can only target so much a turn. If the PC's don't have sources for DR no reason to even have magic weapons to fight them with.

Plus thunderstone/tanglefoot/etc the sorcerer first. That can put a huge crimp in that strategy.

Well are you talking about how alignment is in Pathfinder or the alignment system I see a lot of people complaining about which usually seems to be the one from 1st edition AD&D more often then not?

Hmmm... I really want to recommend L. Sprague de Camp's The Goblin Tower as the main character can certainly handle themselves...

It is situational but it does come up reasonably often in most combats when you might want a full-round action or for the surprise round and so forth.

Oh I missed the whole wanting a maximized part. Yeah your not really going to be able to do that in any useful manner.

Have another caster about with the meta-magic spell memorized to cast for you as you brew would work.

Detailed and tactical all the way. I don't like cinematic combats. They are usually very boring and not what I'm there to do.

Now combats that take an hour because people aren't paying attention or something are really bad. >.>