Finally have a chance to post. It is funny how parents and students don't care about grades until it is too late to do anything about it.
The website has been acting up for me most of the day. I will update tomorrow just to give anyone else in this circumstance a chance to post.
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in PFS even the GM doesn't get to rewrite the rules. My comment was intended as an FYI for everyone, including the GM, that my character does not have the ability others assumed he had.
[ooc]I am speaking up only because we have a new GM. Morthak no rules were rewritten. Even if you don't have Low-Light Vision, you can see 60ft out with a lantern, just with a small penalty. My main issue is that you mentioned what we were fighting before the GM had said a word about it.
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Has the site been acting up lately? I have had the dardnest time getting on last night until just now.
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I'm moving this from the gameplay thread to discussion.
I apologize if I don't see this as "splitting hairs." You have low-light vision and are therefore not really affected by this issue, but whether I can actually see the enemy has a large impact on my actions in this encounter.
At the time I assumed that the GM made a simple oversight. This happens. There's nothing wrong with a player saying "Actually I can't do X because I don't have special ability Y." In the PFS games I have been in the GM would normally say either "yeah, okay," or "actually you can because of Z."
I would prefer that the GM weigh in on the issue rather than having you jump in and defend his original statement, which, as I said before, was probably just an oversight.
(Yes, GM Terevalis, that is a hint. I am hoping that you will speak up here.)
If you are telling me I am simply wrong here, I would prefer for you to cite the rule that says so. I am unaware of any effect that would apply that would allow my character to see in total darkness. If there is such an effect then I would really like to know what that is. It would change a lot of aspects of my play.
After your post I went back and re-read the rules on perception, but I found nothing there that allows a character to see in total darkness if he rolls high enough. Perception covers a wide set of sense, not just sight. So a good roll might allow me to sense the kobolds with other senses (such as hearing). The rules do allow a character to pinpoint the square of a creature he cannot see, though that's not the same as seeing them.
These are the rules I could find, from the Additional rules section of the CRB:
In areas of darkness, creatures without darkvision are effectively blinded. In addition to the obvious effects, ...
That seems pretty definitive. If there is something I am not aware of then please let me know.
Peet/Morthak
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Lantern:A hooded lantern sheds normal light in a 30-foot radius and increases the light level by one step for an additional 30 feet beyond that area (darkness becomes dim light and dim light becomes normal light). A hooded lantern does not increase the light level in normal light or bright light. A lantern burns for 6 hours on one pint of oil. You can carry a lantern in one hand.
You are not in total darkness. At most you are in dim light
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The presupposition I think is being made is that you are traveling in complete darkness. No where that I can find in the module is that stated but also you have a character, a lamplighter, whose while stuck is about providing light. I assumed that he was carrying light so that people could see in a cave.
That being said Morthak, it may not be your intent but your posts are coming across as adversial towards other players and to me. I know that online communication is often difficult tondiacern but there are more flies to be gained using honey than vinegar.
thank you
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That being said Morthak, it may not be your intent but your posts are coming across as adversial towards other players and to me.
Okay, I accept that apology and I'm sorry for getting defensive. It felt like I was being shouted down for raising a technical point. I don't want to get into a fight here and I'm trying to keep my posts calm and rational.
In games I have GMed I have sometimes run into a problem where I read out the boxed text describing a room and then realized that the players can't actually see what I am describing because they haven't moved their light source forward enough. I assumed this was what had happened.
When I play a character that can cast light I will typically cast the spell on a pebble and throw it down the hall. :)
The presupposition I think is being made is that you are traveling in complete darkness.
No, I think you misunderstand me. I'm sorry to drag this out but I want to be understood.
The issue is that what I am looking at is not illuminated by the light source we are carrying. Thus the issue is not whether or not the observer is in darkness, but rather if what he is trying to observe is in darkness.
As Tirf points out, the hooded lantern illuminates objects out to a radius of 60 feet. But the nearest kobold is 65 feet away from the light source, so just outside the lit area.
One way to adjudicate that if you are using google drawings or slides is to make a circle that shows the extent of an area of light. Then you don't have to count squares. I have GMs that do this and I have started to imitate them in my games. If you use Roll20 for your maps then I think there is a dynamic lighting function there that does that automatically.
A 60' circle is hard to draw on a map this small but I think I have done it. FYI though I am not sure how to calculate the shadows caused by the fact that the lantern is still inside the narrow cave. Since Chorlo put down his lantern I put a little lantern on the map in the square where he was.
Here is a quote from the text of the darkness spell:
All creatures gain total concealment (50% miss chance) in darkness.
Total concealment is the state where you are unable to see the concealed object. The rules handle darkness, invisibility, a target concealed behind an opaque barrier like tiny hut or obscuring mist, and a target that cannot be seen because the observer is blind, all in the same way.
A good perception roll allows you to pinpoint the square something you cannot see is in, but you still have the 50% miss chance to hit it even if you do that.
I think I've stated my case as well as I can, and now that I've presented it I will leave it at that. How you rule is up to you.
Peet/Morthak
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But perception covers more than just what you can see
Exactly! If you can't see you can still detect things in other ways. And a perception roll would normally be involved. The most common circumstance of this is the attempt to pinpoint an invisible creature's location. If that creature is trying to hide then it can be really hard, but if the creature is moving and talking then it's not too difficult.
A good perception roll doesn't mean you necessarily see that creature, but you can tell something is present with other senses, such as hearing. Then you can try to attack the space the critter is in. If you can't see it you only have a 50% chance to hit, but that's still better than 0%.
I never said I was unaware of the kobolds, just that I couldn't see them.
Let's move on, the dead horse is calling and asking us to stop beating him.
There seems to be a free Google slides map that you can download on your phone which might make movement easier
Is everyone's information on here so that I can get chronicles ready? Who is interested in doing another scenario?
This was set to be a 3 scenario, evergreen run
Hooray, working on getting things set up and finishing this off.
It looks like we are loosing Karlos.
Morthak, you need to give me your day job roll please.
Session reported. Sheets coming up, except for the Halfling, until I get his day roll.
The sheets should be up in the campaign tab where the maps are.
We have 4. I'll update when I get home. We can use this same thread right?
That is what I was thinking
Thank you! Will update in a few.
His sheet should be in the folder.
Does anyone need to purchase anything before we begin?
Ok
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I am down as well. I will be traveling for few days and won't have service. I will post when I get there asap
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Have had internet problems the last week or so, new modum not working all the time with Wi-Fi and I had an interview today for a a part time psychology prof position at the local community college.
update coming, my internet is finally fixed after 6 calls and a a technician coming out to fix the outside wiring.
Is froggy still with us?
I knew he was travelling but I had no idea he had deployed.
I don't want to get too far ahead without the grippli so what should we do?