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Fatespinner's Darkness Rising

Game Master Fatespinner

A campaign set in Golarion that explores the darker side of the coin and chronicles the adventures and tribulations of some of Golarion's most unpleasant people.


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Male Human Supreme Overlord

Greetings and welcome to the OOC/Discussion thread for my soon-to-be initiated all-evil PbP! Those of you who have been selected can get started on the serious business of character creation and design here... allow me to outline the character creation guidelines we'll be using for this campaign:

  • I am not allowing the summoner class. I personally feel the class is disruptive and unbalanced. End of discussion.
  • Characters must be evil. I don't want any "neutral with a mean streak" characters. If we're gonna do this, let's do it all the way.
  • Leadership is banned. There will be plenty of NPCs to interact with over the course of the campaign. The last thing I need is several MORE of them to account for following the party everywhere.
  • No third-party material. There's plenty of flexibility permitted within the boundaries of Paizo's vast array of published material and I am familiar with the majority of it.
  • Core races + aasimar/tiefling only. Nothing fancy. (The possibility does exist for characters to acquire certain templates in the future, however.... mwahahahaha.)
  • We will be using Pathfinder Society standard creation guidelines (20 pt. buy, 2 traits, etc.).
  • Characters will begin at level 3. Hit points will be max for first level and half hit die (rounded up) for each other level, just like Pathfinder Society.
  • Starting equipment will be as follows: you may have 1 or 2 (for two-weapon fighters) masterwork weapons, a masterwork suit of armor/shield (no special materials), a standard ranged weapon, a standard backup weapon (usually a dagger, kukri, or other light utility weapon), and as much mundane equipment as your character can reasonably carry (backpack, tent, climbing kit, etc.). If your class requires tools/instruments, you may have a masterwork version of that as well.
  • For spellcasters or members of classes who do not use weapons or armor, you may opt to have only a standard weapon, no armor, a standard backup weapon, and a single magic item worth up to 1000gp in addition to your mundane gear and tools.
  • You will have up to 900gp worth of non-mundane equipment. This can be potions, scrolls, a wand, or whatever you want from the Core Rulebook only. Characters who have spellbooks or similar means of spell preparation may use some or all of this 900gp to scribe additional spells into their books (paying the normal cost for the scroll + scribing materials). Any amount left over from this 900gp will be your character's cash on hand at the beginning of the game.

Questions are welcome if you want to know about anything I have not adequately covered here. This will be an RP-heavy campaign, so I expect character concepts to be rich and colorful without being overly contrary or prone to disrupting the flow of the game. Remember, the characters may be self-interested evil bastards, but the players should choose their concepts with an eye towards cooperation and fair play for all.

EDIT: Oh, yes, the campaign will begin in the capital city of Ustalav: Caliphas. If you're not a local, think about how/why you're there. :)


Female

dotting to lurk. casting obfuscate

Osirion

Lurking

Taldor

Dotting for... wait a moment...

Chiming in. I just need to think of a few newer concepts for my Court Bard, why he'd be here and all of that. Or if he's local, what he does for a day job. It's hard to be a comedian in this time and age, though, unless you're just amazing at your job...

...or unless you're fascinating the crowd for their money. That's always a good one.


*Lurking... oh wait.


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1

Here's a lvl 1 verison of Haruk for a Way of the Wicked game I had to leave after some stupid debates...

He'll be an Infernal Blooded Tattooed Sorc(if that's allowed), party face type. As I said in recruitment, focused on Enchantment, Illusion and Fire spells.

If we get far enough, he'll most likely go Diabolist. Again, if allowed.

Is all Paizo material ok? Aside from what you've already said no to?

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Haruk wrote:
Is all Paizo material ok? Aside from what you've already said no to?

Generally speaking, yes, all Paizo material is okay. I reserve the right to veto anything I haven't thought about at this point, but aside from the stuff I mentioned, it should be fine. I think Diabolist would actually be pretty cool. :)

However, looking at the character profile, you'll need to remake him. What you have listed there is way more than a 20 pt. buy, but you'll also need to bring him up to 3rd level. :)

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1
Haruk wrote:

Here's a lvl 1 verison of Haruk for a Way of the Wicked game I had to leave after some stupid debates...

He'll be an Infernal Blooded Tattooed Sorc(if that's allowed), party face type. As I said in recruitment, focused on Enchantment, Illusion and Fire spells.

Hmm, should I reconsider my wizard concept then? Having two arcane casters might be a bit much, perhaps a cleric would be a better fit party wise?

As for keeping the group together as evil PCs I had an idea that we come up with a way to ensure that all PCs will benefit more from staying in the group than betraying it. Could be as simple as everyone recognizing that there is strength in numbers and that the other PCs make formidable allies, or it could be something more esoteric/profound. Any ideas?

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1
Greater God wrote:
We will be using Pathfinder Society standard creation guidelines (20 pt. buy, 2 traits, etc.).

Considering a LE Cleric to Asmodeus...

Is the undead lord archetype then off limits as per the updated PFS guide, or is that simply because PFS PCs cannot be evil (my personal take on it)?

OK with no leadership feat, what about item creation feats, are they also off the table?

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Abrar "Glade" Ajmal wrote:
Greater God wrote:
We will be using Pathfinder Society standard creation guidelines (20 pt. buy, 2 traits, etc.).

Is the undead lord archetype then off limits as per the updated PFS guide, or is that simply because PFS PCs cannot be evil (my personal take on it)?

OK with no leadership feat, what about item creation feats, are they also off the table?

Undead Lord and item creation feats are fine. When I said "Pathfinder Society creation," I just meant with regards to the traits, point buy, and HP system. :)

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

With an Undead Lord cleric in the party, if Black Dow is still leaning towards an Antipaladin, I should think that he'll want to place Necromantic Affinity (Inner Sea World Guide feat) very high on his "to do" list for feats. :)

Taldor

We do double up on of arcanists if I keep my bard. That said, I suppose we need some other concepts.

What I see so far, base class (not archetype):

Bard
Sorceror
Cleric
Antipaladin/Barbarian

If I do keep it, the most debuffs I can really bring affect melee before any spellcasting. If you'd like something else, I'm more than able to mold my concept before I settle on something.

I'm all for group dynamics, but I do have some very good ideas for this.

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1

I thought we'd have a really good part balance if I change to cleric actually, but your call of course.

please share your ideas on group dynamics:)

Taldor

Oh, no no, I misspoke. I meant, I have good ideas for characters, and group dynamics are what they are. By all means, do what feels most right to you!

I still think I'll keep my bard, being skilled and supportive as a user of combat maneuvers. I hear Improved Trip is one hell of a hindrance...


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1

Hmm, I like the idea of a Cleric of Asmodeus to compliment my Hell themed Sorc.

Somebody who worships the Rough Beast is probably going to be quite troublesome.


@ Haruk/Monkeygod

Fatespinner wrote:
Haruk wrote:
Is all Paizo material ok? Aside from what you've already said no to?

Generally speaking, yes, all Paizo material is okay. I reserve the right to veto anything I haven't thought about at this point, but aside from the stuff I mentioned, it should be fine. I think Diabolist would actually be pretty cool. :)

However, looking at the character profile, you'll need to remake him. What you have listed there is way more than a 20 pt. buy, but you'll also need to bring him up to 3rd level. :)

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1
Haruk wrote:

Hmm, I like the idea of a Cleric of Asmodeus to compliment my Hell themed Sorc.

Somebody who worships the Rough Beast is probably going to be quite troublesome.

Ah should be a good fit with with the hellknight too. Perhaps the party aims to establish their domain over an area on å Chelaxian model ...


Male Tiefling Infneral Sorcerer(Tattoo) 1

I'm not sure what the point of Belle Mythix post was. Were you trying to tell me my character still needs to be redone?

If so, I am out at a party, posting on my cell. Didn't realize I had to have a fully finished and properly built character to take part in the conversation...

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

FYI, Ex Lege Libertas said in the recruitment thread he was doing an urban ranger, so you've got a fighter/roguey type in the works.


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5

Dotting :)

Thanks for the selection DM Fatespinner.

Quick question regards my character concept; was originally thinking barbarian/anti-paladin multiclasser of Rovagug... but there was misgivings that this was too overkill...

How does that sit with you? - would lean towards either a 2/1 level split or 1/1 depending on your (and everyone else's thoughts)


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5
Haruk wrote:
Somebody who worships the Rough Beast is probably going to be quite troublesome.

Indeed he will :) A necessary evil tho... Who knows perhaps one of the evangelical amongst you can convert the savage...


Male Human Gamer 4 / Philosopher 7

Hey, everyone. Thanks for having me. I realize that very few people will know who I am, so I'm glad for the chance to meet the community a bit more and get my hands dirty in a PbP.

What I'm really hoping for out of this group is the kind of evil that recognize common cause and actually have some comradeship. I don't expect us all to be super-buddy-buddy, but I think it'd be cool if, instead of the typical "evil game" where it's constant backstabbing and all-for-me, it's almost a "united front," where we see what evil looks like when it actually works together, and what happens when it presents a unified opposition to the constant cooperation that "good" usually musters.

I'm also not saying that no one should ever fly off the handle. I thought I heard the noise of a Rough Beast follower off in the distance somewhere, so I expect half of the fun is going to be the more disciplined characters just smirking and letting the berserker off his chain to go wreck house while they watch.

I think the idea of "magnificent/epic evil" is probably going to be a lot more fun and a lot more long-term workable. What do you guys think?

Kamau is going to be a pretty "disciplined" sort of evil, so it sounds like he'll get along reasonably well with the Hellknight and Cleric of Asmodeus. Kamau is shaping up to be an Urban Ranger, a tracker and headhunter. I'm not 100% sold on "Urban Ranger" as a required class/archetype, so if someone else wants to fill that particular role, I can do the concept more as a rogue. It sounds like we have plenty of face-smashing, but may be a little lacking in the skill department. Suggestions?

He's of Chelish descent, but his actual origin is a little more unusual than that. A little of the fun of the character is going to be in how close he plays things and how much of his communication is based on subtlety and nuance, so I don't want to drop complete stories right away.

Anyway, this is already shaping up to be pretty cool. Again, I'm somewhat new to PbPs and very new to Golarion, so if I sparked any ideas, please don't hesitate to post them. I'll take all the help I can get.


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

The following are a few suggestions on some character concepts. Don't take them as anything more than that:

Abrar, while an Undead Lord is fine normally, it really conflicts with Hell and Its views. Hell is heavy into souls, corrupting them, causing them to fall, etc. Undead either have no soul or are a captured/imprisoned one. Thus undead are usually seen as an anathema to Hell.

Ex Lege, an Urban Ranger is a solid choice, but it could end up limiting you, if we don't stick to a city and I wouldn't want you to regret your choice later.

How about Inquisitor? That class has recently become a new favorite of mine, and nicely combines a fair amount of the combat effectiveness of the Ranger and the skills and all around usefulness of a Rogue.

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1

For the group to be playable and fun I think we should have a common conception that we need to stick together to get what we want individually, which means there has to be a certain "I'll scratch your back and you'll scratch mine" mentality to the group. Or I guess just avoiding the "Stupid Evil" Alignment :)

I have almost certainly decided on the Asmodean Cleric concept, and will be playing him as someone whose attitude is that the strong should rule over the weak, but will gladly enter philosophical discussions and argue that it is for the benefit of the masses to have an orderly society where criminals are dealt with harshly and that the ends justify the means.

Ex Lege Libertas wrote:


It sounds like we have plenty of face-smashing, but may be a little lacking in the skill department. Suggestions?

With a ranger type and a bard we should be well covered in the skills department, no?

Ex Lege Libertas wrote:


He's of Chelish descent, but his actual origin is a little more unusual than that.

Seems like there might be more than one reference to Cheliax, perhaps there are some ties

Black Dow wrote:


Quick question regards my character concept; was originally thinking barbarian/anti-paladin multiclasser of Rovagug... but there was misgivings that this was too overkill...

@ Black Dow

Overkill as in too combat oriented and optimized, or as in har to play...?

Ok, just listing the party so far
* KMB: Bard
* Monkeygod: Infernal Sorcerer
* Ex Lege: Urban Ranger
* Black Dow: Barb/Anti-Pal
* Glade: Cleric of Asmodeus

Quite balanced, neh? Missing a rogue, but the bard and ranger might handle that role sufficiently between themselves?


Male Human Gamer 4 / Philosopher 7

Looks like it's pretty balanced, yeah. I like the idea of the "rogue" being diffused into two different characters instead of just having a "designated skillmonkey." Also, the fact that our 'tank' is probably going to be a berserk mutilator type certainly changes the group's dynamic.

Lastly, wanted to mention that the fact that someone named "Black Dow" is playing a Barbarian/AntiPaladin makes me pretty happy. How perfect is that?


Male Human Gamer 4 / Philosopher 7
Monkeygod wrote:

Ex Lege, an Urban Ranger is a solid choice, but it could end up limiting you, if we don't stick to a city and I wouldn't want you to regret your choice later.

How about Inquisitor? That class has recently become a new favorite of mine, and nicely combines a fair amount of the combat effectiveness of the Ranger and the skills and all around usefulness of a Rogue.

Inquisitor would be cool for another angle on this particular character concept, but it deprioritizes certain stats in order to benefit from others, like Wisdom. What I have set up right now conforms much more readily with what I have in mind.

As for the Urban Ranger, I don't intend to stick with it for too long before I qualify for the PrC I'm heading to. The 'favored communities' thing doesn't really interest me, it's true, but no other class seems to numerically do what I want without suffering somewhere.

Ideally, I'd like something with a full BAB, d10 hitdie, and some stealth and technical skills. That seems to be the Urban Ranger. It'd be nice if I could dump 'favored community' for the original 'favored terrain,' yeah. That wouldn't really be fair to everyone else that has to pick up certain class-bits they might not necessarily like/need, though.

However, I do have an alternate character concept, if we want something a bit more rogue-y. I think it'd be kind of neat to see what an Inquisitor --> AssassinPrC looks like. The deity? Calistria. What would an Inquisitor of Calistria look like? Not just 'faithful,' but almost fanatically devoted to the idea of vengeance?

I'm just spinning ideas here, I don't want to turn the whole game upside down.


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5

Hi everyone

With regard the misgivings - not sure, as I see no problem in the barbarian/anti-paladin combo - I'm not playing it for optimisation, just wanted to experiment with a heartless berserker!

Like to think I'll be able to make the character work, will put alot of thought into the background (as I always do) and think the group are shaping up nicely.

I'm also playing in a WOTW pbp which, while evil based, is alot more focussed regards the aims/objectives of the group. Here i'm hoping to get off the chain a little more (so to speak).

Agree totally with Ex Lege that most of the party may well take the moral (ironically) high ground with my character being seen as the blunt instrument/necessary evil.

Given some of the subtle nefariousness that say a Cleric of Asmo may deploy, my berserkr will be anything but...

@Ex Lege: A Inquisitor of Calistria would be very interesting. Elves who follow The Savoured Sting tend to be more roguish and focussed on vengence etc. What about an Inquisitor of Norgorber... ;)

As for the group's motivation etc - perhaps some tie or bond between the evil deity/pantheon? Each of us representing one of them?? (thinking of the Age of Worms where several of Greyhawks evil gods were co-operating/combining...

My runes worth...

Taldor

Moral high ground? What? You must be thinking I'm a nice do-gooder singer of tales or something! It's like I'm not even evil!

No, no, no. That simply won't do!

We're going to be very skill-balanced, and very much so. The fact that we're five means that the bard gets to perform a lot of tricky combat movements, and means I don't have to move to the frontline - not that I'd frown upon it.

But that's a sidetrack. I'm all for common causes, but some of us are probably a little more insane than the average man, and that's a tricky thing to pull off. At least, I know my bard will enjoy his Perform (comedy) skill as he insults the enemies!

I'm very used to playing martial characters, and I like the flavor of a man who was made livid because someone merely stepped on his new boot. Said offense had a planned assault on his home, but he changed his mind by just torching his home in his sleep while laughing as he cartwheeled away.

Yeah, that kind of nonsense. Hope that's something we're okay with? I do recommend someone go for the Shatter Defenses/Deadly Stroke effort, because I'm confident in taking Dazzling Display soon as possible.

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Black Dow wrote:
Quick question regards my character concept; was originally thinking barbarian/anti-paladin multiclasser of Rovagug... but there was misgivings that this was too overkill...

I don't particularly have anything against it, but if you want my honest opinion, I think the combination of the two will end in a somewhat less-than-desireable level of combat effectiveness. The two classes don't really synergize well and a great many of your Antipaladin abilities rely on scaling up with your class level.

However!

You might consider an oracle/barbarian of Rovagug with intent to pursue the Rage Prophet prestige class? Or perhaps a single-classed Inquisitor with the Anger inquisition? These are just thoughts to consider. If you decide that Antipaladin/Barbarian is exactly what you need, go for it.

@KMB: I'd like to keep the 'wildly violent overreactions' to a minimum, if for no other reason than they tend to distract from the plot and generally only accomplish one of two things: 1.) letting everyone know your character is insane (which should be plainly obvious anyway if you choose it to be); and 2.) possibly drawing the ire of local law enforcement down on you and turning the next several weeks of gameplay into a running battle with guards.

I did say that this will be a somewhat 'sandboxy' style of game. I did not mean to imply that it will be ENTIRELY so, however. I do have overarching plots and all kinds of fun things for your group to delve into during their quest for power... Expect dungeons. Several of them.

Taldor

Duly noted. I'll be sure to take that into consideration, and may consider a different concept to ensure I don't cause too much mayhem. I think that's a better idea for an NPC now, with more insight...

As for his build? If he goes STR/CHA, he'll be an effective intimidate-man, for sure. There's a lot of CHA bonuses that Barbarians happen to abuse - I recall one game I ran, I had a cavalier2/barb12 for the PCs to deal with. It was one horrifying experience when they all suddenly had massive penalties.

...Maybe I should roll a cavalier/bard/battle herald. Yeah. I think I'll do that.

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

KMBCross wrote:
...Maybe I should roll a cavalier/bard/battle herald. Yeah. I think I'll do that.

Heh. That sounds excellent. A word of warning, however: there will be a lot of situations in which a mount will be impractical or impossible to employ. Dungeons, sewers, trecherous terrain, etc.

Taldor

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Oh, easily. Nobody should design a one-dimensional fighter. I plan on being excellent in both mounted and unmounted combat. The only issue I foresee is having a huge banner in the sewers.

"What's that? I can't see it. Move the damned paper out of the way!"
"But it's inspiring~"
"Inspiring me to burn it!"


Male Weremonkey Rogue/Ranger/Trickster

For the record, I have no problem with the class combo of Antipaladin/Barbarian. Its the being a follower of Rovagug that I think will cause the problems.

For starters, he's all about destroying the world, if not all of creation. Not exactly an easy companion to get along with, especially when us followers of Hell want to rule the world/all of creation.

Secondly, at least two of us are not just followers of Hell, but Asmodeus as well, who played a significant role in imprisoning the Rough Beast. That might cause some issues...


Male

Lurk dot.


Haruk wrote:

I'm not sure what the point of Belle Mythix post was. Were you trying to tell me my character still needs to be redone?

If so, I am out at a party, posting on my cell. Didn't realize I had to have a fully finished and properly built character to take part in the conversation...

I thought you might have missed Fatespinner post about it.


Male Human Gamer 4 / Philosopher 7

Just so that people aren't trying to build around me while I flip-flop, I figured I'd mention that I'm going to go ahead and stick with the Urban Ranger. It builds into what I want, and the 'favored community' thing has been handled in a way that I think satisfies the character concept.

Also, Black Dow: I hope I didn't come across as having misgivings about your Barbarian/AntiPaladin idea - I think it's great. With all the rest of the party seeming to tend toward the Lawful/Tyrannical/Disciplined side, it'd be cool to have someone attached to the group who's just barely keeping his overwhelming violence-urges in check, just to give the group some flavor. Not just "villain," but "monster!" :D

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1
Ex Lege Libertas wrote:
Not just "villain," but "monster!" :D

Agreed. "Oh they don't want to listen to reason? Too bad, unleash the Gimp!" :)


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5

Hey not at all guys, am trying to get the fluff of the character to work.

Like I said before I envisioned the Barbarian levels being almost a gift from the Rough Beast to his followers...

Wanted to avoid the Gorum warmonger in favour of someone/thing far more challenging - however I appreciate the input from all, regarding both balance and way forward.

My character will perfectly serve as the antithesis of what the rest of the group consider an alternative...

Like Abrar said; "Won't bend you knee to us? A pity... A great pity indeed... For the alternative to subjegation is him... senseless and utter annihilation..."

@Monkeygod; Yeah appreciate that the Asmodeous/Rough Beast clash may well bubble, but it could make for some very interesting RP.

In short I won't be turning my character on everyone else at the drop of a hat. I'm actually thinking of borrowing one of the notions behind my nom du guerre of Black Dow... in the books he followed (begrudgingly and bitterly but followed none the less), one Logan Ninefingers, who was the only man to have bested him...

Rovagug respects power and strength after all...

So whose up for being the gimps master ;)

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1

Hm, we'll certainly have to make a story out of it, since probably no-one would be able to beat him in a fair fight! But then again, who among us care about "fair"? I'll be happy to work with you to come up with a good story for how that came to pass :)

I am currently also statting up my character, and leaning toward my original idea of being an undead master (though not applying the archetype since I do want the two domains. The god would then have to be the god of undead, Urgathoa. (We might actually be quite close to the idea posted earlier, each of us serving a god each, but still in alliance)

Anyone else making progress with the crunch?


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5

Ironically Abrar was thinking of using your avatar for my PC :)

Aye more than happy to work with you on the backstory

1 x Urgathoa
1 x Rovagug
2 x Asmodeus? C'mon guys - one of you be a devil and jump ship lol


Male Human Gamer 4 / Philosopher 7
Black Dow wrote:

In short I won't be turning my character on everyone else at the drop of a hat. I'm actually thinking of borrowing one of the notions behind my nom du guerre of Black Dow... in the books he followed (begrudgingly and bitterly but followed none the less), one Logan Ninefingers, who was the only man to have bested him...

Rovagug respects power and strength after all...

So whose up for being the gimps master ;)

It won't be Kamau, but I do like the angle it's taking. :)

Black Dow wrote:

Ironically Abrar was thinking of using your avatar for my PC :)

Aye more than happy to work with you on the backstory

1 x Urgathoa
1 x Rovagug
2 x Asmodeus? C'mon guys - one of you be a devil and jump ship lol

1x Achaekek. ;)

Grand Lodge

Male Human Druid / 1
Black Dow wrote:
Ironically Abrar was thinking of using your avatar for my PC :)

Go for it, I will be using a different avatar for Ventar Lister, the cleric of Urgathoa!

So as a start of a backstory, how about an early altercation when we met in which Ventar, by using his undead minions was able to drain enough strength from "the gimp" (Does he have a name yet?) to render him defenceless, but was able to see the benefit of having a living ally as well?

Shadow Lodge

Male HP 27, AC 19/11/19, F+5 R+2 W+5, Init +1, Perception +3 Cleric / 3

@Fatespinner: Please find the crunch numbers on Ventar Lister.

The background story is more or less ready, just need to type it up. Is the format ok for you, or is there some other format you prefer?

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Ventar Lister wrote:

@Fatespinner: Please find the crunch numbers on Ventar Lister.

The background story is more or less ready, just need to type it up. Is the format ok for you, or is there some other format you prefer?

The format and math look okay to me so far. As a cleric of Urgathoa, the plot I have in mind should be veeeerrrrryyyyy interesting to you. I hope you can play the faith to the hilt! :D

Cheliax RPG Superstar 2013 Top 32

Oh, also, if you intend to be frequently animating and otherwise being attended by a small army of the undead, you will be responsible for declaring the actions of and maintaining the statblocks of your minions. One of the reasons I ban Summoners and Leadership is because of the bookkeeping. Undead commanders I find to be somewhat more manageable (and less exploitable), so I allow them... but you assume the extra workload for your role. :)

Shadow Lodge

Male HP 27, AC 19/11/19, F+5 R+2 W+5, Init +1, Perception +3 Cleric / 3
Fatespinner wrote:
Ventar Lister wrote:

@Fatespinner: Please find the crunch numbers on Ventar Lister.

The background story is more or less ready, just need to type it up. Is the format ok for you, or is there some other format you prefer?

The format and math look okay to me so far. As a cleric of Urgathoa, the plot I have in mind should be veeeerrrrryyyyy interesting to you. I hope you can play the faith to the hilt! :D

Intriguing... I hope so too. I plan to play him as a ruthless hedonist who is determined not let death stop him from having a good time... And undead servants and guards are just sooo handy - No complaints, no pay, no free will etc.

I imagine the number of undeads will be limited to one or two of the most advanced (highest HD) when adventuring, while the rest will act as servants and guards, and so be more fluff than anything else. As I have chosen the tactics subdomain it is only fitting that I have a small army at my disposal, no? :)

Shadow Lodge

Male HP 27, AC 19/11/19, F+5 R+2 W+5, Init +1, Perception +3 Cleric / 3
Black Dow wrote:


Aye more than happy to work with you on the backstory

Any ideas from your end?


Beta Male Hairy Highlander Halfbreed Barbarian 9/King O' The North 5

Working on something with Fatespinner to establish how my character came to be... or rather his rebirth ;)

clue:

Fallen from the Lastwall, reborn in the Hold, now Son of the Rough Beast

However it would seem very likely that tactical smarts overcame simple brute force in enabling Ventar to defeat Albrekt (as I'm coining my anti-pally) - that and the cold dead hands of his necrotic followers :)

Shadow Lodge

Male HP 27, AC 19/11/19, F+5 R+2 W+5, Init +1, Perception +3 Cleric / 3

Background Story:

Old Governess to inquiring gentleman wrote:


"If I know Ventar Lister? You are in luck my boy. Oh, I could tell you many stories about Ventar Lister, not many knew him the way I did. He was always a good boy that one. There are certain things you become privvy to when working as a governess, things no-one outside the closest family learns of. Ah, I do remember him well, even now several years since I saw him last. He was a charming lad, Ventar, his father's pride and joy. Ventar's mother died in childbirth, and being an only childVentar and Master Lister only had each other. Master Lister, Ventar's father, was such a hard worker, single handedly building a successful spice trade even while taking care of infant Ventar. I cannot say I know how he managed, but that he did. I only entered the small family as Master Lister saw that Ventar needed some tutelage, and at that point his business allowed him to employ my humble services as Ventars governess.

It was gratifying to become part of such a harmonius household. Now, you must understand that Master Lister was a very industrious man, dilligent and hard working. That must be why he was so successful in his business ventures. And he was ever so fond of little Ventar, it was always so heart warming to see how much he valued that boy; Do you know, I don't think I can recall a single time Ventar was denied something he wanted.

Mind you, I did find it a challenge to progress his studies, seeing as though he was quite often sick at the appointed lecture times, poor thing. Fortunately he usually seemed to recover quickly so that he could play with his friends in the afternoon. He was most unfortunate in that department, I even think he had the chicken pox five times over the years I tutored him. I do feel for the boy, he did not have the best of luck growing up. First losing his mother like that, and then there was the matter of his pets. His father thought it would be a good idea to get young Ventar a pet dog to keep Ventar company and to watch the house when he was at work and I had gone home. Ventar was thrilled with the gift and they were inseparable. Alas, the dog only lived three months. In the period I worked for Master Lister I do believe something like five puppies and three kittens died for some reason or other. Ventar was devastated after each one. Of course that is not a mindstate where anyone would be fit for learning, so I am saddened to admit that I have been remiss in my duties and have not been able to impart the learning that Master Lister had intended for his son.

My time as governess was nearing its end and Ventar was becoming a strapping young man. Our lectures continued, albeit at a reduced rate, seeing as how Listner had a great many friends who desired his attention and support. I mean, it is only good manners, or even your duty, to lend support to friends who have lost close relatives or experienced other hardships in life, and are in need of a good friend to keep them company as they celebrate the newly departed. These things are not easily completed in a short evening, and night often can become morning before the friend in need of support is able to sleep. It goes without saying that after such a hard night, considering the amount of wine needed to lament the dead, it cannot be expected that any lessons be completed on the following morn.

Now, regardless of the unfortunate circumstances, Master Lister was not fully satisfied with the progress his son was making. After all, he was being groomed to take over the spice trade after his father. I do blame myself you see, for the lack of progess, and was not entirely surprised when Master Lister terminated my engagement, even after all those years. I also believe that Master Lister was having concerns over Venters good hearted generosity towards his grieving friends, as I couldn't help overhearing a conversation between father and son where Master Lister was claiming that the expenditure was hurting the business. It is the only time I have heard that Master Lister denied his son anything, and of course Venter did understand. I remember being filled with pride as Venter told his father that he would double his efforts to reach his full potential and continue to work towards his goals.

Unfortunately misery struck again not long after, leaving poor young Lister alone in the world. The city watch announced that Master Lister and Ventar had been assaulted by thugs as they were working late one evening. Ventar had escaped with only a few scratches fortunately, his father had not been so lucky. Ventar was able to identify the murderers who were apprehended quickly, denying the allegations of course, as is the wont of all wrong-doers.

Ventar was inconsolable, and this time it was him who needed the support and comfort of his friends. For weeks on end the only place I would find him was in the taverns, celebrating his fathers achievements in life, remembering his virtues in death. Needless to say, the business suffered and eventually the competition took over the few remaning customers. After the coin ran out I am not aware of where Ventar went... Perhaps he felt there was nothing left for him here, that there were too many ghosts remaining and that he would benefit from a fresh start. I do worry about that boy, having faced all that hardship in such a young life, I hope he finds what he is looking for, wherever he went...

Oh, and as for the coin he owes you, I truly am sorry, I do not know where to find him, but thanks for listening to my story"

Morals/philosophy:

Ethical hedonism is the idea that all men have the right to do everything in their power to achieve the greatest amount of pleasure possible to them. It is also the idea that every man's pleasure should far surpass their amount of pain. Along with those ideas ethical hedonism supports that idea that it is morally and ethically right to do what is needed to achieve such pleasure.

John Stuart Mill wrote:


Other proponents, like John Stuart Mill, argue a qualitative approach. Mill believed that there can be different levels of pleasure - higher quality pleasure is better than lower quality pleasure. Mill also argues that simpler beings (he often refers to pigs) have an easier access to the simpler pleasures; since they do not see other aspects of life, they can simply indulge in their lower pleasures. The more elaborate beings tend to spend more thought on other matters and hence lessen the time for simple pleasure. It is therefore more difficult for them to indulge in such "simple pleasures" in the same manner.

For the DM:

If Ventar was a real person he would likely be diagnosed with Reactive attachment disorder and Narcissistic personalty disorder...

Shadow Lodge

Male HP 27, AC 19/11/19, F+5 R+2 W+5, Init +1, Perception +3 Cleric / 3
Black Dow wrote:
However it would seem very likely that tactical smarts overcame simple brute force in enabling Ventar to defeat Albrekt (as I'm coining my anti-pally) - that and the cold dead hands of his necrotic followers :)

How about this?

Ventar narrowly manages to escape their first encounter by fleeing. Then Ventar manages to lure Albrekt into an area where he has prepared well... Several undead minions, desecrated area and multiple channel negative energy bursts to keep the undead minions alive while tapping Albrekt for life until he is left unconcious. Ventar considered to make a zombie of him, but while talking with Albrekt as he lay naked and ready on the altar, Ventar had a better idea...

Open for ideas obviously :)

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