Couple of days of study at baron’s library to identify the box. The gather the necessary materials for the ritual.
Everything is inputted into the Loot List
Who wants what?
Johan will take one of the rings of protection. He can also cast CMW, so he'll grab the wand too.
If they stay unclaimed, we might want to throw the amulet the 2nd ring a cloak on Grumble - we can pay for them out of the party pool.
Johan you almost always have SoF going which is deflection. Assuming Eldred does not have one he should get a ring and the amulet and then give Grumble the other ring.
There is s cloak for each of us. If any already have one then Grumble should get one. So I will claim one.
I would like the +2 Griffon Full Plate. It is of house Barca which Cedric will realize as they are collecting the gear.
Aku how will that work. Can I bond with new armor? Is there a ritual? Or am I stuck in my Armor. If I am stuck can my Armor be made more magical if we pay a guy?
That is all I want. I will wear the belt of Con if no one else wants it.
Oh I realize that SoF doesn't stack with the ring. That's why I bought an amulet of Nat armor instead of a ring way back when. I kinda assumed everyone else had already picked a ring of protection up by this point, but looking at everybody's sheets now, I see none of us have them.
Given that, yes it makes sense to give both rings to other PCs first.
Cedric, didn't you take Johan's old belt of giant strength after the inquisitor fight?
I'd be happy to take a ring and amulet. My AC is a little anaemic :)
Cloak for Grumblejack is a good idea... might I have one too? Will is my vulnerable save and it was only some awesome rolls on my part that kept me out of trouble this combat.
When we are ready to sell all that stuff there are a buttload of spells I'm interested in purchasing. I believe I've asked this before, but is the Baron a Sorceror or a Wizard? Ie does he have spellbooks in his library?
Also, Agrippa is interested very much in researching the box.
If I did Johan I never added it to my sheet or raised my strength. I'm fine selling and getting some better equipment. All these equipment drops are for 3-4 levels bellow us. Our gear is pretty poor for our level. Though we are getting a good bit of it so we can sell and hopefully upgrade.
I'm sure the furries would track down any that run.
Heh, furries...
I bet those stupid hero's destroyed our tree.
Hmm... can plants be raised as undead? I suppose it wouldn't make a very good zombie because it would lose most of its special attacks.
Aku how will that work. Can I bond with new armor? Is there a ritual? Or am I stuck in my Armor. If I am stuck can my Armor be made more magical if we pay a guy?
Well, the armor is the source of your, otherworldly powers, as per say.
If you change it, you’ll lose the template benefit and bonuses.Since I know that keep you with the same armor is a boring thing to enforce, you can ‘transfer’ your bond to a new armor.
To do that, you can describe a ritual, of the most macabre involving fire and death.
The ritual should cost at least 100gp per HD, and take at least half a day.
What do you think?
Eldred's men in Drownington can spread rumors
The Red Pentacles can spread rumors.
Let's spread some rumors that we have been dispatched and only Grumblejack remains in the Horn
Of course, that stupid Angel thing can mess up our plan by alerting the world to the fact that we are not in fact deceased.
@Drownington's crew.
That can be done, however unlikely the organization minions, the crew is to be hired.
@Ritual: Sounds reasonable to me. Thank you.
lol: Furries :) Oops :)
Are right spent 800gp.
The old armor. Should it be consumed? Like when they pull it off it falls into ash? I'm cool with this but it could get costly if I keep upgrading. Maybe it has to make a save to survive? So that weaker armor may or may not survive but down the line stronger armor has a better chance. What do you think?
Sidious will also spend a few minutes repairing my blade. Looks like mending should do it.
I've entered the old armor as sold on the spreadsheet when figuring Cedric's share already.
Can everybody check this loot disposition and see if it works for you?
Cedric:
Belt of Giant Str+2
+2 fullplate
cloak of resistance
selling +1fullplate
1508gp
Eldred
ring of protection+1
Amulet of nat armor+1
belt of con+2 (or Johan's old Belt of Str+2)
cloak of resistance+1
1008gp
Agrippa
cloak of resistance+1
ring of protection+1
headband Int+2
1508gp
Grumble
cloak of resistance+1
Johan
headband of Wis+2
3508gp
I think Agrippa already has a cloak and headband... but if you are simply dispersing based on GP levels then that's fine with me.
Looks good.
So we have several paths here:
- Spread rumors and lure the Seventh to the horn (suggested by Agrippa)
- Send the Erinyes fetch the Seventh saying the Ninth failed and they are tasked to continue the ritual by themselves. (Suggested by Cedric)
- Ride into town and slay them for everyone to see (Suggested by Johan)
- Ride into town pretending to resupply and quietly deal with them (Suggested by Eldred)
Which one will be?
Lets go with Cedric - its the one least likely to arouse their suspicions, play on their egos and draw them in.
Oh and I have a belt of Dex + 2. Happy to take the Belt of Con or Str + 2 but I think its better sold and the shares going into everyones coin purses.
Sending the Erinyes is a good idea. Agrippa concurs, and is now actively searching for ways to summon his own Erinyes handmaiden =)
Okay, I'll start writing it down them.
Might take some time tho, since RL isn't giving me a break.
No worries. Hang in there and take your time. I will have an Erinyes at level 11 :)
Ok, readjusted. Please add the gear and coins to your sheets so I can clear the calculator ( gotta make room to all that loot from the Seventh coming our way :> ):
Cedric:
Belt of Giant Str+2
+2 fullplate
cloak of resistance
selling +1fullplate
1508gp
Eldred
ring of protection+1
Amulet of nat armor+1
cloak of resistance+1
3008gp
Agrippa
ring of protection+1
4508gp
Grumble
cloak of resistance+1
Johan
headband of Wis+2
3508gp
I'm updated.
@Cedric...that would rankle Agrippa to no end if you got one first.
@Johan I'm updated
Spells that Agrippa would like ranked in no particular order
Dimensional Anchor from CRB level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
Greater Invisibility from CRB level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
Scrying from CRB level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
Remove Curse from CRB level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
False Life from CRB level 2, Scroll Cost 150GP
Secure Shelter from CRB level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
Blink from CRB level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Mirror Image from CRB level 2, Scroll Cost 150GP
Water Breathing from CRB level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Knock from CRB level 2, Scroll Cost 150GP
Whispering Wind from CRB level 2, Scroll Cost 150GP
Nondetection from CRB level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Seek Thoughts from APG level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Ray of Exhaustion from CRB level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Hostile Levitation from UC level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Slow from CRB level 3, Scroll Cost 375GP
Protection from Energy, Communal from UC level 4, Scroll Cost 700GP
At level 9 it will be fiendish Dire Lion or Bearded Devil. Have not decided.
I find it highly amusing that classes that are devoted to summoning otherworldly beings can only summon those beings after a martial class gets one as a class ability.
One more strike against Pathfinder imho.
Hey guys.
I want to move the game, but I need to know what you preparations for the combat ahead are.
Any spells? Traps?
How are you planning to deal with the Seventh?
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Well, Agrippa will do his normal suite of self protections. Then he might cast Haste right before combat.
You should take our lack of posting to mean that we are too busy fighting among ourselves to adequately create a trap.
How about this
Agrippa crafts some Scrolls of Invisibility and then uses them on the Knot+Grumble. As the 4th comes into a predetermined area (I think Johan mentioned the clearing with the dead hangman's tree) we swoop upon them prebuffed and ready to own faces.
Spell Agrippa will have up before battle
Stoneskin 80min duration
Fly 8 min
Mage Armor 8hr
See Invisible 80m
Prot. Arrows 80m
Invisibility 8min
Once we know they are coming and have a round to prepare (if that even happens) Agrippa will Haste whomever he is near.
Cedric laid out a pretty detailed order of battle to which no one disagreed, aas well as a blow by blow of how we would use the Eyrenes to lure them in - I'm not sure what else you expected...
Yep I have been waiting on someone to chime up and disagree or add too or for you to move the game. :)
Well,
It's kinda bad keep moving the game on a single player's opinion.
I usually give it some time to see if anyone wants to disagree or suggest anything else.
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Like now:
Johan said that he would wait till sundown then return.
Instead of moving the game based on his single wanting, I’m wanting to see if anyone else will have other idea or action.
I agree, that is what the discussion thread is for. I am guilty of this as well but when a plan comes up maybe we should throw a post in here when we are in agreement or what not so the GM knows.
Fair enough. I've had an insane couple of weeks at work so I haven't been on the ball as much here. Like not getting around to writing anything regarding the nightmare for example. Which I totally do want to do by the way.
How did the Seventh sneaked up on you?
The simpler answer is: They didn’t. They were there before you arrived.
As soon the Fury showed up, Elise knew the plan failed.
How the cardinal did knew the Ninth had died? You cannot scry inside the horn, she tried.
You cannot teleport inside the horn, she tried.
The time seemed off as well. The Furies appeared in the same day the heroes were supposed to enter the horn.
Which led her to one conclusion: The Ninth was still alive and now they knew about her attempt. Worse, they contacted the cardinal and the cardinal sent the devils.
As soon she devil left after delivering the message, the Seventh left as well, using the ‘instructions’ from the devil to try to outwit the knot.
She travelled hard and fast during all night, and set up hideout from where she could try sneak up on you guys.
They’ve been observing you for some time and when finally the devil teleported away, Elise saw her chance and began their preparation, they made some noise, which Eldred noticed.
That's fine but the devil that was sent to town to escort them should/would have reported back hours ago that they were no where to be found. These two devils make a knot on their own and I doubt they are without their tricks. So what or why has the devil not came back. They teleport at will not like it would be hard to report in.
/shrug, we can't win them all.
However, if this was going to be the end result...why the push to have us be super descriptive in our planning of an ambush that wasn't ever going to happen?
The Erinyes has Int 14, Wis 18 they are not dumb creatures. The have also seen the baron and the Seventh. With the ability to teleport around the other devil should have reported back yesterday that the seventh had left town. It was supposed to meet them and guild them. I doubt it would have just set at the woods for almost a day. Sure they are to help us defeat the seventh but their not mindless NPC that obey our every command they are a Knot of Thorn. That's my big thing. I don't mind the ambush at all, but even that is unlikely with the other Erinyes flying around with true seeing constant and a +16 perception. She was expecting the seventh to show with her sister she had no reason to hide. We were the ambush.
We are the Nessian knot. The devils were just described as the cardinal's "furies," not their own knot.
In addition, there's the wording of the order.
You didn't order it to report back in case anything happen.
Nor did you asked what was their take in the situation.
Devil will follow instructions to the letter and will use/abuse any loophole they find in your orders.
oh yeah nice catch Johan. I was assuming they were a knot because of the Nessian Knot thing forgot that was us ;)
So the seventh are not mindless NPC's while the devils are. Even though we were rewarded them from the Cardinal to help. Seems legit. So the other is just chilling in Farhold because it didn't find the seventh and is like oh hey they didn't say report back guess I'm on vacation.
@Cedric
Please leave the sarcasm out.
Devils abhor humans. They were sent to obey, not to help.
If Cedric was arrogant enough to trust devils, he is paying for his mistake.
Please accept that and roll with the game.
I’m really getting tired of all this pointless questioning about everything that happens in the game.
Read the cardinal letter again:
Tiadora takes the diary, read it and then, when nothing else is said, she walk away and soon after is gone, giving no further instructions or motives.
Sometime after two Erinyes, by the name of Tisaera and Melinoe arrives at the horn, carrying with them another clay seal, and a letter from the Cardinal.
It reads:
“I have no time for this infighting! We are so close to victory! Nothing can stand in our way!”
”The Knot Hibernal is declared broken. In accordance with the Pact of Thorns, I release these traitors. They are no longer bound to my service or enjoy my protection. I send to you, my Nessian Knot, my furies Tisaera and Melinoe, they’ll serve you for one week. Make those traitors suffer for their treachery and then return to the work at hand. Bring me the daemon’s gift!”
No word about helping. It's about obeying and serving.
/shrug, we can't win them all.
However, if this was going to be the end result...why the push to have us be super descriptive in our planning of an ambush that wasn't ever going to happen?
Because if you guys were setting some sort of 'mechanical trap' or doing some preparation in the field before combat instead of just hanging around and waiting, you'll have the chance to notice then when they arrived.
We wouldn't have to question everything if it felt like we were playing in the story instead of playing against the GM.
So what pray-tell has the other devil done the entire day while not finding the seventh?
We have a chance to notice them no matter what. It is simple perception vs stealth. We should have all got checks, and the Erinyes has constant true seeing so invis would not have helped them.
We did get checks. Or at least I presume that's what the 4d20 roll at the top of the post is for... ranked alphabetically that would put Eldred as the highest roll
The devil is not included in that. Who knows what they are for or who they are assigned too.
Oh well.
I was in my way to write a big answer commenting everything and answering all small things: explaining how Cedric's order were interpreted, how the Cardinal had already advised how to deal with devils, how Tiadora proved that the phrasing of the order mattered, when she delayed Agrippas delivery for some weeks just to spite the mage...
But in the end it would be pointless.
So, here is the deal, and let’s get direct to the point:
WE CAN:
Keep playing the game.
I’m up for it, I like running this campaign, I’ve went into several weeks of personal trouble just to keep the game up. I’ve gave up playing in other games so I would have time to keep things interesting and be able to answer properly or at least try do to that in the game.
I’ve tried to set an interactive mood, adding small things to make the game interesting for everyone, but I do like ‘dramatic combat’ and I do like to put the ‘characters’ in a tight spot from time to time.
I usually don’t allow one-sided situation unless the planning really deserves it and I think I’ve been fair with all the things that happened in the game up to this point.
My own understanding about fairness may not match the player’s tho.
I don’t mind when you point something wrong in my ruling, I don’t mind when you tell me I’ve been using a rule wrong. I do not have absolute knowledge about pathfinder and the knowledge I have is somewhat tainted by 3.5 Era.
However, I don’t want questioning such as these:
“I don’t agree with my character situation right now! The DM MUST DO THINGS THE WAY I WANT!”
or WE CAN:
Decide who want to keep playing the game as mentioned above and if needed recruit replacements.
I’m set in at least finishing the module, so if get to keep at least one of the players, I’ll recruit others to fill the vacant spot and continue the game.
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Please decide up what you want to do.
Speaking for myself only, I'm not sure what the big deal is right here. I'm only ever interested in moving the plot forward, we seem to get into these quibbles from time to time and frankly it annoys me that we get bogged down.
The only point I tried to make earlier (and it wasn't an indictment of you or your style) was that since you had worked out that the Erinyes were gonna not be all that productive for us based on our instructions to them, why then did it really matter all that much what our plans were? It held us up for nearly 2 days.
In a PbP the GM needs alot of latitude to push the action forward because there is nearly no "table talk" and what there is can take days.This turns any minor thing (or major one like laying a trap) into a quagmire of indecision and wasted time.
This is why I've been so in favor of just letting Johan or Eldred (when he's posting consistently) take care of all the planning. I'd rather the plot be advanced.
As long as everyone is making the effort to make daily posts that advance the plot I'm good to go.
I'm fine.
I'll admit I take less pleasure in the game lately, hence my erratic posting. Its more about the level things. I am typically used to low powered, low level, low magic games and the numbers sometimes get to be a bit of a blur.
I am all for the other knot outwitting us. Its fine to be on the backfoot - I think that adds to the game. It challenges us. Frustrating as it was, that good party that outsmarted us around the teleporters was a real challenge.
In short I am fine for continuing the game.
That said, I think people get too easily upset by conversation on what happened and when. Its play by post... some stuff is going to get missed. I'd like both GM and Players just to roll with it when it does.
I would very much like to continue.